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[wyoming cowboy]

This "Austrian" is a fucking racist.

Where do you think Herr Heitler aka Hitler came from. Nothing new there.

whats the matter can't you differentiate between the turk ambassador getting a dressing down for meddling in another country and what the word racism means?...amazing...

...i don't think your pashas and the all magnificents were much better than hitler....hell even your current tayip the magnificent's mentality is not much different to hitler...

lets look at article 301 for a minute...what the "austrian" said is true...if you were to substitude austria with turkey you would face severy penalties in turkey if you utter such words...but in your views exposing the turk ambassador is racist and equating him to hitler because of what exactly?...

truely amazing logic...

But you forget that Austria does not have the 301 so the ambassador can say what he did, you cant turn around and complain about it otherwise you should have a 301.

you kinda proven what the "austrian" was saying all along...muslims taking advantage of an open society...and people are getting fed up...and you call him a racist...

again learn to differentiatee who he is addressing...

If you get rid of laws like 301 and open yourself up to this sort of criticism you cannot complain when it happens.

whats wrong with criticism you turks should be used to it by now.

[Cap]

'Turkish court rules bishop's killer insane, blocking further investigation.'

Well, well, well...

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/hea ... oryid=8450

[Cap]

[Afroasiatis]

Austria seems to have a big tradition in producing far rightists and right-wing populists, of the kind of Ewald Stadler and his party. Perhaps it's indeed not a coincidence that Hitler was an Austrian.

That's a difference to Germany. Parties like BZÖ and FPÖ were never so successful there, and it's very unlikely you would hear a similar speech in german Parliament.



But despite this, it seems there is in Western Europe a worrying trend of increasing Islamophobia and anti-turkish feelings. This is a great danger to Cyprus, at least to those who want it united. I wonder if the RoC-goverment has plans of how to deal with this.

[Hermes]

Austria seems to have a big tradition in producing far rightists and right-wing populists, of the kind of Ewald Stadler and his party. Perhaps it's indeed not a coincidence that Hitler was an Austrian.

That's a difference to Germany. Parties like BZÖ and FPÖ were never so successful there, and it's very unlikely you would hear a similar speech in german Parliament.

But despite this, it seems there is in Western Europe a worrying trend of increasing Islamophobia and anti-turkish feelings. This is a great danger to Cyprus, at least to those who want it united. I wonder if the RoC-goverment has plans of how to deal with this.

Why is it wrong to speak out against the rise of Islamic fascism in Turkey and the failure of Turks in Germany and Austria to integrate. Why is this "racism"?

Too many in the West praise the AKP as "moderate Islamists." The only difference, however, between moderate and jihadist Islamists is the use of the ballot box instead of violence to come to power. This is the lesson from Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and certain Islamist parties in Iraq.

The AKP are pseudo-democrats who use democracy as a cover for the promotion of Islamization whether in Turkey itself or among the Turkish diaspora in Europe.

The Islamism practiced by the AKP is an ideology of cultural divide, tension, and conflict, despite all of the pro-Europe rhetoric in which Islamists in Turkey engage. In reality they exploit the European Union accession process for their agenda of Islamization.

Papapandreou and Greek policy makers have been taken in as much as anyone in the EU by the AKP and have encouraged and praised the AKP's weakening of Turkey's secular foundations believing that a form of Islamic democraticization will be good for Turkey, Greece and the West.

But AKP leaders are not interested in becoming Europeanized. They pursue a double strategy: They verbally dissociate themselves from political Islam while simultaneously embracing Islamic identity politics and, like many Islamist parties across the globe, engage in anti-Christian and anti-Western polemics.

Europeans and Americans should stop pretending that the AKP is an ally; it is not. It is the worst leader of Turkey imaginable to the West.

In reply to your question: are you sure that the Greek government has any plans to deal with this?

[Viewpoint]

again you're proving what the "austrian" is saying all along yet again...so in short you're saying that every country should have their own 301?...and you call this a progressive forward thinking society?...

Well you are complaining that Austria didn't have one and that this ambassador spoke out. If you want t stop such outburst then you should have a law against it. Ask yourself is there anything (laws) to stop this ambassador speaking up about the way Austrians treat Turks? if not then what the fuck is he complaining about?

then stop calling the "austrian" a racist as it's his right to a free speech...get it?...again proving the "austrian" smack on the money...

The Austrian has a right to freedom of speech while the Turk hasn't, why is that? its called double standards and discrimination.

[Hermes]

The Austrian has a right to freedom of speech while the Turk hasn't, why is that? its called double standards and discrimination.

Turkish law guarantees neither freedom of religion nor freedom of speech. Why are you complaining that the Turk doesn't have these rights in the West when in reality the Turk doesn't have these rights in his own country?

[Viewpoint]

The Austrian has a right to freedom of speech while the Turk hasn't, why is that? its called double standards and discrimination.

Turkish law guarantees neither freedom of religion nor freedom of speech. Why are you complaining that the Turk doesn't have these rights in the West when in reality the Turk doesn't have these rights in his own country?

If you claim you have these in the west why do you complain or discriminate against people when they exercise them??? We are not talking about Turkey we are talking about Austria, does one have to have the same rights in the own country if the wish use them in another? you are sounding rather silly. If I visit Austria do not the laws of the country come into force? not the country I originated from.

[Hermes]

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[Afroasiatis]

Austria seems to have a big tradition in producing far rightists and right-wing populists, of the kind of Ewald Stadler and his party. Perhaps it's indeed not a coincidence that Hitler was an Austrian.

That's a difference to Germany. Parties like BZÖ and FPÖ were never so successful there, and it's very unlikely you would hear a similar speech in german Parliament.

But despite this, it seems there is in Western Europe a worrying trend of increasing Islamophobia and anti-turkish feelings. This is a great danger to Cyprus, at least to those who want it united. I wonder if the RoC-goverment has plans of how to deal with this.

Why is it wrong to speak out against the rise of Islamic fascism in Turkey and the failure of Turks in Germany and Austria to integrate. Why is this "racism"?

It's not necessarily racism, but connecting the two issues, and using them as an answer to a criticism of Austria, is for sure right-wing populism.

But, Ok, we know what BZÖ and FPÖ are, we speak about the inheritance of Haider, so that's not any surprise, it is what is to be expected from them.

Too many in the West praise the AKP as "moderate Islamists." The only difference, however, between moderate and jihadist Islamists is the use of the ballot box instead of violence to come to power. This is the lesson from Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and certain Islamist parties in Iraq.

The AKP are pseudo-democrats who use democracy as a cover for the promotion of Islamization whether in Turkey itself or among the Turkish diaspora in Europe.

The Islamism practiced by the AKP is an ideology of cultural divide, tension, and conflict, despite all of the pro-Europe rhetoric in which Islamists in Turkey engage. In reality they exploit the European Union accession process for their agenda of Islamization.

Papapandreou and Greek policy makers have been taken in as much as anyone in the EU by the AKP and have encouraged and praised the AKP's weakening of Turkey's secular foundations believing that a form of Islamic democraticization will be good for Turkey, Greece and the West.

But AKP leaders are not interested in becoming Europeanized. They pursue a double strategy: They verbally dissociate themselves from political Islam while simultaneously embracing Islamic identity politics and, like many Islamist parties across the globe, engage in anti-Christian and anti-Western polemics.

Europeans and Americans should stop pretending that the AKP is an ally; it is not. It is the worst leader of Turkey imaginable to the West.

In reply to your question: are you sure that the Greek government has any plans to deal with this?

I think some of what you say about AKP is correct, many is exaggerated.

If AKP is better for Greece, Turkey, the West, compared to the alternatives present (a CHP-MHP coalition)?

It's probably better for Greece in the short-term, because AKP is less connected to the military establishment, so it can design its foreign policy more on political rather than military principles.

For Turkey or the West, it's a very big discussion, I can see many plus and minus points, it's not easy to come to a conclusion.


As to your question: I think Greek government has some plan (good or bad) on how to deal with AKP and its foreign policy in the short-term. However, I doubt it that there is a plan on what does this mean for the development of Turkey in the long-term.