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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:17 pm

Oracle wrote:
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boulio wrote:
The person who helped Greece be part of the EEC was Valérie Giscard D’Estaing with a little research you will find quite easily he was very anti-turk but an ally to Greece. His reasons well still looking into it.

Well Greece did join the EEC didn't mean automatic accession to the EU different rules as you said, (had to comply with the Maastricht Treaty) but as I said Greece lied about it's debt to join Eurozone (please take a look at the link I pasted). Are we begining to see the ripple effect.


SO WHAT jealous ?greeks laid the foundations for western civilization if you ask me they should have not even applied just been let in.

What has the turkic race given to western civilization?


A sense of superiority,arrogance,and self-rightousness???? :roll:


You forgot 20th-century-Genocide, inspiring Hitler, ethnic cleansing, persistent Apartheid and Expansionism in the guise of "nationalism".


Sorry,I forgot about ENOSIS which was aiming to expand Greece in the guise of 'nationalism' and 'Hellenism',and ethnically cleans the TC community From Cyprus...Thanks for reminding us... :wink:


That was just your fantasy - a preferred state of mind, thinks you.

We have Enosis with Greece, now, and enjoy the presence of many more minorities. Is there a reason the TCs couldn't live happily, with us, as these others do?


Yes...You do not admit your mistakes of the past and apologise for it...Plus you keep showing hatred and bitterness towards all things even remotely related to Turkishness...No right minded TC person would want to live with you without special measures to guarantee their safety..I am talking about you,Oracle,and those fascists who think like you do...And judging by this Forum there are a lot of you...
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Postby Oracle » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:15 pm

Are you hearing voices, Bir? Because you don't even make a passing effort to answer the questions raised. You seem to be answering something only you are party to.

Regardless, since you issue blackmails again, I have just one thing to say to your folks: drop the hostage demands and get your army out!
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Postby boulio » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:16 pm

A sense of superiority,arrogance,and self-rightousness????


why does the truth hurt?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:16 am

Oracle wrote:Are you hearing voices, Bir? Because you don't even make a passing effort to answer the questions raised. You seem to be answering something only you are party to.

Regardless, since you issue blackmails again, I have just one thing to say to your folks: drop the hostage demands and get your army out!


Not before you accept your part of the blame,apologise for wanting to give my country away to Greece,show us you have learnt your lessons from history,and get rid of your rampant hatred of all things Turkish...Fair enough??? :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:18 am

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A sense of superiority,arrogance,and self-rightousness????


why does the truth hurt?


The truth doesn't hurt Turkey...But it has hurt you in the past,and will again unless you change your incorrigible hatred of all things Turkish...
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Postby boulio » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:33 am

The truth doesn't hurt Turkey...But it has hurt you in the past,and will again unless you change your incorrigible hatred of all things Turkish...


turkey has never hurt me in one bit i actuallly travel to turkey every three weeks in the summer when im visiting my island in the aegean to get cheap produce and enjoy the night life once in a while.because i defend greek accoplishments towards western civilization i have a incorrigible hatred towards turks?your a moron and you are filled with hatred and bitterness so do us all a favour and stay down under.
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Re: WikiLeaks-Greek Cyprus Accession

Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:39 pm

All4114All wrote:Actually you miss the point Alan Meale seems to have a strong connection with the Greek Cypriot community dont worry if he is guilty or not. Although he doesn't find himself guilty as he states
Meale has denied any wrongdoing, and said his involvement in the matter was purely down to his "football interest".
So he confirms that it is only 'football interest' well this 'football interest' club is Barnet F.C who the chairman is Anthony Kleanthous are we now begining to tie strings together? also to add to the string of Alan Meale his something more recent.
25/10/2010
The event, organised through the Greek Cypriot Brotherhood, is being held in Parliament on Wednesday. The Mayor, along with councillors of Lapithos, are coming to 'coordinate the efforts of their compatriots overseas, to meet and discuss with Members of Parliament the latest developments on the issue of Cyprus and ask for help on issues affecting Cypriot refugees and the human rights of all Cypriots.'

The event is also being sponsored by Alan Meale MP and Jim Sheridan MP.
http://www.finchleyconservatives.com/ne ... ithos.html

Now if he was comming to discuss business no problems but a sponsor of the Greek Cypriot Brotherhood which supports my 1998 article of receving 10k from the group.


I'm really bored with your above, totally pointless argument, just to try and make something out of nothing. Please don't bore me again with useless posts as the ones above...................please.!

All4114All wrote:As a citizen sure I receive EU membership so individually I have a right to have my Passport and ID card because this is my land aswell. But as a nation well are we benefiting from the EU as the South No. Even after promises from the EU and US that who ever voted in favour of the referendum 2004 will receive all benefits but what have we today the South is prospering while the North continues with no change. Many of the facist G/C on this forum will lay blame on Turkey or the T/C parliment that we still have embargoes upon the citizens of T/C but this is the true propaganda and double standards from the South Cypurs to the EU. To understand as an individual I enjoy my EU benefits while Im under Turkish administration. It would of been interesting to see if T/C citizens were to apply for EU passport must be under Greek administration as a condition how many would actually apply for the Passport not many I assume.

There will never be a settlement on Cyprus as long as the South is enjoying all benefits why would you change when your already happy? 6 years ago the EU could of pressured both sides to come to an agreement before entry but they turn a blind eye and ignored everything and accepted the RoC with the South as the governing body of the whole island.

I as a T/C will enjoy a strong relationship with my G/C friend but if he/she is to arrogant and full of lies then I will find it very hard for me to call he/she my friend.


Listen, my friend. Personally speaking, I think you are a nice fellow who has had too much of "trnc brainwashing" gone to your head. I don't know whether you know it or not, but you are like someone who has a sign on their forehead that reads, " Please Ridicule Me" with the stuff you posts a lot of the times. Let me explain to you what I mean, and I'm not going to ridicule you if all possible, even though it is going to be very hard not to..


First of all, nobody promised anything to the "trnc", regarding the outcome of the Annan plan referendum. What was promised, was that the RoC would become an EU member and all of it's citizens, TCs and GCs alike, and the EU has kept it's promise. Anything that was "promised" to the TCs, they have gotten them. Tell me anything a TC cannot do withing the RoC controlled areas.? Tell me anything a TC cannot bring into the "trnc" from anywhere in the world.? The isolation and the embargoes are against the "trnc" and not the TCs. The "trnc" is an unrecognised illegal entity created by Turkey, for Turkey, therefore, there is no "North Cyprus" and "South Cyprus" or "Turkish Administration" and "Greek Administration" in Cyprus. I know that's how you have been brought up to believe and to think in those terms, is the reason why you set yourself up to be ridiculed with what the realities are.

There is ONLY one recognised government regardless of the political internal problems within the RoC. Despite the political internal problems, the TCs have the same social benefits as the GCs do within the RoC. The TCs also have the protection of the RoC and the EU when away from the Cyprus. What the TCs lack, are political benefits within the RoC, the EU and the UN as long as they choose to live in the "trnc". This the EU did not promise to change just by the TCs voting "YES" on the AP. Those benefits would have come had the AP was voted by the GCs also. The reason why the TCs voted "YES" and the GCs voted "NO", was because of a very lopsided plan favouring the the TCs, settlers, Turkey, Britain, for the very long term, and some GCs for the short term. It left the majority of the GCs in a "no mans land", in a limbo, filled with uncertainties. You need to ask the question as to why the AP was made to favour one side far more than the other side.? It was not the EU's job to do that, but the UN. But now that the RoC is a EU member, you can be sure that they will make sure any settlement will need to have their own EU Principles included, no matter what the UN may be willing to accept for a settlement. Today no one talks about the failed Annan plan, except for Turkey and the "trnc". Have you ever asked the question why that is.? I'm sure you already know the answer, therefore, there's no need for me to tell you.

The RoC would like to have a settlement, as long as it is settlement that will respect every one's rights. The whole island can function much better as one than divided one. It is foolish to think that anyone will want their V8 engine to run only on 5 cylinders. The RoC at the moment is running on 5 cylinders and the "trnc" on ZERO. That is the reason as to why the "trnc" needs a solution more than the RoC, because while the RoC is not running on all 8 cylinders as they would prefer, they would prefer the 5 cylinders than nothing at all, as the case would have been under the AP, which would have decimated the RoC politically, economically and as a country. What the TCs needs to do to benefit from everything the country of Cyprus can offer them, is to help the RoC run on all 8 cylinders politically and economically, but this can never happen as long as the TCs are still after Taksim. As soon as the TCs decide against Taksim, is when they too can help the country of Cyprus prosper, with them in it.!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:01 pm

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The truth doesn't hurt Turkey...But it has hurt you in the past,and will again unless you change your incorrigible hatred of all things Turkish...


turkey has never hurt me in one bit i actuallly travel to turkey every three weeks in the summer when im visiting my island in the aegean to get cheap produce and enjoy the night life once in a while.because i defend greek accoplishments towards western civilization i have a incorrigible hatred towards turks?your a moron and you are filled with hatred and bitterness so do us all a favour and stay down under.


I am a moron because I warn you about the dangers if you keep going the way you are...???? You have been here long enough to know this place is full of incorrigible Turk-TC haters,who want to crush the TCs at all cost to themselves...I have no other choice but stay down under, because those people have turned my homeland into hell...
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Re: WikiLeaks-Greek Cyprus Accession

Postby EPSILON » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:05 pm

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Cable reveals EU's hard feelings on Greek Cyprus accession
The European Union had to accept Greek Cyprus' accession despite its leader's public campaign against a UN plan to reunite the island because member Greece would have otherwise blocked the membership of other countries, a former EU official was quoted as saying in a US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks.

Chris Patten, the EU's former external relations commissioner, noted during a meeting with officials from the US Embassy in Brussels that “some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain.” He then cited Greek Cyprus, saying it “probably should not have been admitted” as former Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos' behavior prior to the referendum indicated. “But the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates,” the document, dated April 28, 2004, reads. The EU allowed Greek Cyprus to join as a full member a few days after the Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected the UN plan in 2004.

Papadopoulos, who died months after losing elections for a new term in 2008, had publicly campaigned for a “no” vote in the referendum. The EU’s then top enlargement official, Guenter Verheugen, said a few days after the vote that he “felt cheated” by the Greek Cypriot government.

The leaked cable shows Patten was also upset by the Greek Cypriot vote, calling it a sad reflection of the realities of EU enlargement. He was disturbed by Papadopoulos’ personality, too, recalling allegations that Papadopoulos had been involved in laundering money for former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. “Some of the new members were people you would ‘only want to dine with if you have a very long spoon.’ Not that the EU should have been surprised by Papadopolous’ behavior, Patten said, since they knew well who they were dealing with: Milosevic’s lawyer,” reads the document.

The former EU foreign policy chief also tells US diplomats that Croatia, now a candidate, is more prepared than either Bulgaria or Romania, which joined the bloc in 2007, according to the leaked cable. Patten also comments on Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying that “he seems a completely reasonable man when discussing the Middle East or energy policy, but when the conversation shifts to Chechnya or Islamic extremism, Putin’s eyes turn to those of a killer.”


But I am sure and if history proves me right many facism G/C will overtime will change the text on the cable leak and then build propaganda around it and will choose to forget. The double standards of the EU as I have always said.


Saying NO to invators right to control your country makes you fascist!!!!Go ahead - you are -and they are-in correct direction. Your/their problem is that you/they never learn from history. Your end will be as it was so many times in the past.
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Postby boulio » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:38 pm

I am a moron because I warn you about the dangers if you keep going the way you are...???? You have been here long enough to know this place is full of incorrigible Turk-TC haters,who want to crush the TCs at all cost to themselves...I have no other choice but stay down under, because those people have turned my homeland into hell...




how is accepting and comprimising on a TRUE BI-ZONAL BI-COMMUNAL Federation "WANTING TO CRUSH THE T/C"?

1)you want less g/c in the north fine then accept 22-24% of land
2)allow the rest of g/c to return to the north and have voting rights on local and state matters federal election will be based of ethnicity
3)Turkey wants to be a guranteor fine with a eu/nato force or only the northern state.
4)For those that dont return to there homes turkey and the t/c can compenate them in todays prices.
5)NO virgin birth

every thing else seems to have been agreed on (economy,federal structre,etc)only land ,property,and security.so there you have it are these proposals wanting to crush the t/c?
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