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[Get Real!]

The point was that Chacallis G. does exist. I remembered his name in that book simply because we also had a Shagalli in our village. I found his name in the first book I opened. Also I hoped you did not rubbish all the Greek/GC authors used in Turkish language works. Because you are always tempted to call TC works propaganda. (as you have proven above). If you really are interested in Cyprus, read the complete work and then see if the word 'Propaganda' is apt. It is only about 450 pages. It took me a long time but I got there. It is very detailed in events too. Come on GR, be brave. READ IT. If nothing else, it will keep you quiet.

Lying Turks quoting each other is NOT evidence but rubbish! You’re as naïve as my teenage son!

And please do not direct me to any further Turkish crap (or Greek crap for that matter) as I haven’t the SLIGHTEST interest in their lies.

[Get Real!]

Wecome back DT. Please read Makarios's Droushiotis new book, titled "The great idea of the little junta" in Greek "η μεγάλη ιδέα της μικρής χούντας". You will find many answers there, very well documented, with new records unerthed by Droushiotis.

Just stop taking in all the crap from unauthorized individuals out to make a buck, and you may live the rest of your life an intelligent man.

[DT.]

Ahhhhh...reality! You are talking my language now...

I remember a GoC plebisit which demanded ENOSIS with Greece,back in 1949...

What exactly makes you feel right about condemning this fact? A colony voted with a vast majority vote of the island for self determination.

You're struggle against democracy is awesome Bir!

P.s I won't even go into the rest of the stuff about makarios planning and executing a so-called akritas plan. FFs you know better than that.

Bit I must admit, the tenacity of condemning a plan that was never carried out and letting an action of massive military invasion, murder and occupation resulting in mass ethnic cleansing enter the history books as a peace operation is shocking.

I am simply trying to point out that one man's 'self-determination' is another man's 'death sentence'...You thought it was your natural right,we thought it was ours to resist it...We did and out of that the RoC was born...But you didn't give up,kept pushing for your cherished Enosis,and now you must take the consequences like a man...Not like a whinging child,spoilt one at that...

Now you've really got me confused.

The only side I see whinging and living from handout to handout here is the tc side. Like a spoilt child it has transformed 1/3 of its population into civil servants JUST IN CASE they don't get paid directly by turkey whenever its handout day in the ole wild east.

So let's get this straight,
- do you believe that kutchuk and his cronies in govt in 1960 had no plan to abandon the govt at the drop of the hat in order to pursue taksim? A plan just as mysterious as "akritas" was found in the safe of one of the govt ministers after he left office describing in detail the method in which govt was to be abandoned.
- do you believe that TMT had nothing to do with keeping the tc's in enclaves and thus away from their properties and trading and dealing with gcs?
- do you believe that the gc side after accommodating 200,000 refugees in 74 that were basically bankrupt and starting life again from scratch have shown anything but enterprise and purpose in how they rebuild their lives?
-Do you believe that the only reason the occupied areas are under financial and political bankruptcy is purely because of the so-called embargo we've placed?
-do you enjoy as much as I do the sight of tc after tc spending their hard earned money and time in the govt controlled area, eating drinking, shopping, travelling, hospitalising, schooling, pension receiving and job seeking? Would you perhaps agree that all these are not the actions of people that live in fear of gcs and their evil Machiavellian plans?

So (never forgetting the many many stupid and senseless acts and decisions that the gc leadership has committed and continues to commit to this day) I believe the only whinging done here comes from the likes of those that have received more than they were worth on this island and when they finally sold all that off are now demanding for more. The world (and turkey) do not owe the tc's a living and a life in EU middle class comfort. What has happened to your community and it's sense of importance is another subject which I will explain my thoughts on another time.

[denizaksulu]

Wecome back DT. Please read Makarios's Droushiotis new book, titled "The great idea of the little junta" in Greek "η μεγάλη ιδέα της μικρής χούντας". You will find many answers there, very well documented, with new records unerthed by Droushiotis.

Just stop taking in all the crap from unauthorized individuals out to make a buck, and you may live the rest of your life an intelligent man.

Wow, touched a raw nerve did we. Drop dead GR. You go and believe in your revisionist nea-istoria, you plonker of a first category.

[All4114All]

It seems like Bir is right according to the following:

George Chakallis, a distinguished Greek Cypriot lawyer, politician, and historian wrote in 1902: ‘The Church of Cyprus has enjoyed important privileges which were recognized by the Turks since the conquest of the island and always acknowledged whenever a new Archbishop was elected by an Imperial Berat.’ (G. Chakallis, Cyprus Under British Rule (1902), p.25.)

No such person seems to have ever existed other than in Turkish/TC sources!

I got suspicious by the poorly spelt name which should’ve been “Shiakalis”!

Sorry I might of spelt his name wrong, but his book certainly exists and he does as well and 'Shiakalis' is not correct aswell.
Title Cyprus under British rule
Author George Chacalli
Publisher "Phoni tis Kyprou", 1902
Original from Princeton University
Digitized 26 Mar 2009
Length 177 pages
Subjects Cyprus
History / Middle East / General
Social Science / Archaeology

Search his name under Google Books and it should be the first link to his book 'Cyprus under British Rule'.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=yWN ... CCUQ6AEwAA

[denizaksulu]

It seems like Bir is right according to the following:

George Chakallis, a distinguished Greek Cypriot lawyer, politician, and historian wrote in 1902: ‘The Church of Cyprus has enjoyed important privileges which were recognized by the Turks since the conquest of the island and always acknowledged whenever a new Archbishop was elected by an Imperial Berat.’ (G. Chakallis, Cyprus Under British Rule (1902), p.25.)

No such person seems to have ever existed other than in Turkish/TC sources!

I got suspicious by the poorly spelt name which should’ve been “Shiakalis”!

Sorry I might of spelt his name wrong, but his book certainly exists and he does as well and 'Shiakalis' is not correct aswell.
Title Cyprus under British rule
Author George Chacalli
Publisher "Phoni tis Kyprou", 1902
Original from Princeton University
Digitized 26 Mar 2009
Length 177 pages
Subjects Cyprus
History / Middle East / General
Social Science / Archaeology

Search his name under Google Books and it should be the first link to his book 'Cyprus under British Rule'.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=yWN ... CCUQ6AEwAA

He doesnt wanna know. He cant accept that true TC scholars would use Greek/GC sources as reference without calling them Greek/GC propaganda.

Ge Re Otuzbircidir.

[BirKibrisli]

Ahhhhh...reality! You are talking my language now...

I remember a GoC plebisit which demanded ENOSIS with Greece,back in 1949...

What exactly makes you feel right about condemning this fact? A colony voted with a vast majority vote of the island for self determination.

You're struggle against democracy is awesome Bir!

P.s I won't even go into the rest of the stuff about makarios planning and executing a so-called akritas plan. FFs you know better than that.

Bit I must admit, the tenacity of condemning a plan that was never carried out and letting an action of massive military invasion, murder and occupation resulting in mass ethnic cleansing enter the history books as a peace operation is shocking.

I am simply trying to point out that one man's 'self-determination' is another man's 'death sentence'...You thought it was your natural right,we thought it was ours to resist it...We did and out of that the RoC was born...But you didn't give up,kept pushing for your cherished Enosis,and now you must take the consequences like a man...Not like a whinging child,spoilt one at that...

Now you've really got me confused.

The only side I see whinging and living from handout to handout here is the tc side. Like a spoilt child it has transformed 1/3 of its population into civil servants JUST IN CASE they don't get paid directly by turkey whenever its handout day in the ole wild east.

So let's get this straight,
- do you believe that kutchuk and his cronies in govt in 1960 had no plan to abandon the govt at the drop of the hat in order to pursue taksim? A plan just as mysterious as "akritas" was found in the safe of one of the govt ministers after he left office describing in detail the method in which govt was to be abandoned.
- do you believe that TMT had nothing to do with keeping the tc's in enclaves and thus away from their properties and trading and dealing with gcs?
- do you believe that the gc side after accommodating 200,000 refugees in 74 that were basically bankrupt and starting life again from scratch have shown anything but enterprise and purpose in how they rebuild their lives?
-Do you believe that the only reason the occupied areas are under financial and political bankruptcy is purely because of the so-called embargo we've placed?
-do you enjoy as much as I do the sight of tc after tc spending their hard earned money and time in the govt controlled area, eating drinking, shopping, travelling, hospitalising, schooling, pension receiving and job seeking? Would you perhaps agree that all these are not the actions of people that live in fear of gcs and their evil Machiavellian plans?

So (never forgetting the many many stupid and senseless acts and decisions that the gc leadership has committed and continues to commit to this day) I believe the only whinging done here comes from the likes of those that have received more than they were worth on this island and when they finally sold all that off are now demanding for more. The world (and turkey) do not owe the tc's a living and a life in EU middle class comfort. What has happened to your community and it's sense of importance is another subject which I will explain my thoughts on another time.

What you are exercising here is an old age tactic used by all OPPRESSORS to make their oppression legitimate and palatable to themselves and the world...It is called BLAMING THE VICTIM...I thought you were more intelligent,fair, and sensible than that...I was mistaken.

[DT.]

Ahhhhh...reality! You are talking my language now...

I remember a GoC plebisit which demanded ENOSIS with Greece,back in 1949...

What exactly makes you feel right about condemning this fact? A colony voted with a vast majority vote of the island for self determination.

You're struggle against democracy is awesome Bir!

P.s I won't even go into the rest of the stuff about makarios planning and executing a so-called akritas plan. FFs you know better than that.

Bit I must admit, the tenacity of condemning a plan that was never carried out and letting an action of massive military invasion, murder and occupation resulting in mass ethnic cleansing enter the history books as a peace operation is shocking.

I am simply trying to point out that one man's 'self-determination' is another man's 'death sentence'...You thought it was your natural right,we thought it was ours to resist it...We did and out of that the RoC was born...But you didn't give up,kept pushing for your cherished Enosis,and now you must take the consequences like a man...Not like a whinging child,spoilt one at that...

Now you've really got me confused.

The only side I see whinging and living from handout to handout here is the tc side. Like a spoilt child it has transformed 1/3 of its population into civil servants JUST IN CASE they don't get paid directly by turkey whenever its handout day in the ole wild east.

So let's get this straight,
- do you believe that kutchuk and his cronies in govt in 1960 had no plan to abandon the govt at the drop of the hat in order to pursue taksim? A plan just as mysterious as "akritas" was found in the safe of one of the govt ministers after he left office describing in detail the method in which govt was to be abandoned.
- do you believe that TMT had nothing to do with keeping the tc's in enclaves and thus away from their properties and trading and dealing with gcs?
- do you believe that the gc side after accommodating 200,000 refugees in 74 that were basically bankrupt and starting life again from scratch have shown anything but enterprise and purpose in how they rebuild their lives?
-Do you believe that the only reason the occupied areas are under financial and political bankruptcy is purely because of the so-called embargo we've placed?
-do you enjoy as much as I do the sight of tc after tc spending their hard earned money and time in the govt controlled area, eating drinking, shopping, travelling, hospitalising, schooling, pension receiving and job seeking? Would you perhaps agree that all these are not the actions of people that live in fear of gcs and their evil Machiavellian plans?

So (never forgetting the many many stupid and senseless acts and decisions that the gc leadership has committed and continues to commit to this day) I believe the only whinging done here comes from the likes of those that have received more than they were worth on this island and when they finally sold all that off are now demanding for more. The world (and turkey) do not owe the tc's a living and a life in EU middle class comfort. What has happened to your community and it's sense of importance is another subject which I will explain my thoughts on another time.

What you are exercising here is an old age tactic used by all OPPRESSORS to make their oppression legitimate and palatable to themselves and the world...It is called BLAMING THE VICTIM...I thought you were more intelligent,fair, and sensible than that...I was mistaken.

My apologies, please return to blaming Cyprus for all your woes and absolving Turkey from any harm or responsibility. I shan't interrupt again.

[Simon]

Ahhhhh...reality! You are talking my language now...

I remember a GoC plebisit which demanded ENOSIS with Greece,back in 1949...

What exactly makes you feel right about condemning this fact? A colony voted with a vast majority vote of the island for self determination.

You're struggle against democracy is awesome Bir!

P.s I won't even go into the rest of the stuff about makarios planning and executing a so-called akritas plan. FFs you know better than that.

Bit I must admit, the tenacity of condemning a plan that was never carried out and letting an action of massive military invasion, murder and occupation resulting in mass ethnic cleansing enter the history books as a peace operation is shocking.

I am simply trying to point out that one man's 'self-determination' is another man's 'death sentence'...You thought it was your natural right,we thought it was ours to resist it...We did and out of that the RoC was born...But you didn't give up,kept pushing for your cherished Enosis,and now you must take the consequences like a man...Not like a whinging child,spoilt one at that...

Now you've really got me confused.

The only side I see whinging and living from handout to handout here is the tc side. Like a spoilt child it has transformed 1/3 of its population into civil servants JUST IN CASE they don't get paid directly by turkey whenever its handout day in the ole wild east.

So let's get this straight,
- do you believe that kutchuk and his cronies in govt in 1960 had no plan to abandon the govt at the drop of the hat in order to pursue taksim? A plan just as mysterious as "akritas" was found in the safe of one of the govt ministers after he left office describing in detail the method in which govt was to be abandoned.
- do you believe that TMT had nothing to do with keeping the tc's in enclaves and thus away from their properties and trading and dealing with gcs?
- do you believe that the gc side after accommodating 200,000 refugees in 74 that were basically bankrupt and starting life again from scratch have shown anything but enterprise and purpose in how they rebuild their lives?
-Do you believe that the only reason the occupied areas are under financial and political bankruptcy is purely because of the so-called embargo we've placed?
-do you enjoy as much as I do the sight of tc after tc spending their hard earned money and time in the govt controlled area, eating drinking, shopping, travelling, hospitalising, schooling, pension receiving and job seeking? Would you perhaps agree that all these are not the actions of people that live in fear of gcs and their evil Machiavellian plans?

So (never forgetting the many many stupid and senseless acts and decisions that the gc leadership has committed and continues to commit to this day) I believe the only whinging done here comes from the likes of those that have received more than they were worth on this island and when they finally sold all that off are now demanding for more. The world (and turkey) do not owe the tc's a living and a life in EU middle class comfort. What has happened to your community and it's sense of importance is another subject which I will explain my thoughts on another time.

Excellent post DT.

[BirKibrisli]

Ahhhhh...reality! You are talking my language now...

I remember a GoC plebisit which demanded ENOSIS with Greece,back in 1949...

What exactly makes you feel right about condemning this fact? A colony voted with a vast majority vote of the island for self determination.

You're struggle against democracy is awesome Bir!

P.s I won't even go into the rest of the stuff about makarios planning and executing a so-called akritas plan. FFs you know better than that.

Bit I must admit, the tenacity of condemning a plan that was never carried out and letting an action of massive military invasion, murder and occupation resulting in mass ethnic cleansing enter the history books as a peace operation is shocking.

I am simply trying to point out that one man's 'self-determination' is another man's 'death sentence'...You thought it was your natural right,we thought it was ours to resist it...We did and out of that the RoC was born...But you didn't give up,kept pushing for your cherished Enosis,and now you must take the consequences like a man...Not like a whinging child,spoilt one at that...

Now you've really got me confused.

The only side I see whinging and living from handout to handout here is the tc side. Like a spoilt child it has transformed 1/3 of its population into civil servants JUST IN CASE they don't get paid directly by turkey whenever its handout day in the ole wild east.

So let's get this straight,
- do you believe that kutchuk and his cronies in govt in 1960 had no plan to abandon the govt at the drop of the hat in order to pursue taksim? A plan just as mysterious as "akritas" was found in the safe of one of the govt ministers after he left office describing in detail the method in which govt was to be abandoned.
- do you believe that TMT had nothing to do with keeping the tc's in enclaves and thus away from their properties and trading and dealing with gcs?
- do you believe that the gc side after accommodating 200,000 refugees in 74 that were basically bankrupt and starting life again from scratch have shown anything but enterprise and purpose in how they rebuild their lives?
-Do you believe that the only reason the occupied areas are under financial and political bankruptcy is purely because of the so-called embargo we've placed?
-do you enjoy as much as I do the sight of tc after tc spending their hard earned money and time in the govt controlled area, eating drinking, shopping, travelling, hospitalising, schooling, pension receiving and job seeking? Would you perhaps agree that all these are not the actions of people that live in fear of gcs and their evil Machiavellian plans?

So (never forgetting the many many stupid and senseless acts and decisions that the gc leadership has committed and continues to commit to this day) I believe the only whinging done here comes from the likes of those that have received more than they were worth on this island and when they finally sold all that off are now demanding for more. The world (and turkey) do not owe the tc's a living and a life in EU middle class comfort. What has happened to your community and it's sense of importance is another subject which I will explain my thoughts on another time.

Excellent post DT.

What is so good about it??? The fact that he blames everything on the victims??? He totally ignores what came first (EOKA before the TMT; The AKRITAS plan before the TC document),and tries to suggest the TCs started the whole mess...Is that what you find excellent??? Or is it how he tried to ignore the effect of the embargoes and the isolations that he minimises by using the adjective "so called"...You people are totally shameless...By YOU I mean those revisionists who are rewriting history to suit themselves...I didnt see the point of replying to DT's post...And I am not sure what good replying to yours will do...You are either totally brainwashed or you are without any moral fibre that you'd do anything to put all the blame on the worst victims of this bloody saga...