Cyprus-Forum.com

[Oracle]

Yes, Erdogan should invade the USA!

Meanwhile, a secret source informs me that Ten Quadrillion Turkish Lira were hastily withdrawn last night, resulting in the closure of Eight Swiss Bank Accounts ...

[BirKibrisli]

Ripe for Civil War in Turkey, methinks!

The AKP imprisoning all the Ergenekronies and then the Military's stoogies couping the AKP!

Followed with a PKK and KKP uprising and ...

Bingo!

As an inferior non-Greek member of humanity, my limited intellect seems to spot a contradiction between the statement:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#637502

[...] please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish".

and the above attempt at analysis of events in Turkey, which would imply some interest in events there. Which is it to be?

Wake me up when the nightmare is over ... I dream only of their demise!

Your nightmare will never be over,Oracle...Not until you get rid of all those negative emotions you harbour deep in your body and soul...Do yourself a favour...Try to find some empathy and compassion for your 'enemy',it is the only way out of your nightmare...

[EPSILON]

Ripe for Civil War in Turkey, methinks!

The AKP imprisoning all the Ergenekronies and then the Military's stoogies couping the AKP!

Followed with a PKK and KKP uprising and ...

Bingo!

As an inferior non-Greek member of humanity, my limited intellect seems to spot a contradiction between the statement:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#637502

[...] please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish".

and the above attempt at analysis of events in Turkey, which would imply some interest in events there. Which is it to be?

Wake me up when the nightmare is over ... I dream only of their demise!

Your nightmare will never be over,Oracle...Not until you get rid of all those negative emotions you harbour deep in your body and soul...Do yourself a favour...Try to find some empathy and compassion for your 'enemy',it is the only way out of your nightmare...

The only nightmare is this citizens of North Cyprus living in their daily life - the victim is seems to be in much better position than them, despite victim's leadership is for garbage so many years now.

[Gasman]

everything 'revealed' in these 'leaks' that pleases the nationalist GCs is seen as gospel truth!

Everything anyone has posted regarding what is said 'off the record' about the RoC since 1974 and especially after 2004 is seen as total bunkum because it was either not 'officially' announced or waddever!

So if everything spoken about Erdogan and Turkey must be true because it is in the ever so revelationary wikileaks - therefore, presumably, so must the few snippets concerning Cyprus? But I see little or no comment on that.

Next Steps On Cyprus/Papadopolous Dubious Character...

The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how

to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the

EC to open an office to oversee their assistance.

While there will be legal hurdles to managing the

process, he was confident the Commission would find a

way.

Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose

any efforts, noting that they were on their heels

diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle

opposing views on the referendum.

This incident, Patten said, was a sad reflection on

the realities of EU enlargement: Some of the new

members were people you would only want to dine with

if you have a very long spoon. Not that the EU should

have been surprised by Papadopolous' behavior, Patten

said, since they knew well who they were dealing with:

Milosevic's lawyer.
___________________________

When countries join the EU, they become part of the whole, formally and practically indistinct in many areas of EU competence. We have to be ready to trust their food and sanitation standards, for instance. In this regard, he noted that some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain.

Cyprus, for instance, probably should not have been admitted (as Papadapolous' behavior prior to the referendum indicated), but the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates.

All common knowledge before wikileaks. In fact I am amazed at the wonderment of some in response to these latest 'leaks'. Did they believe previous to this that ALL 'US spokesmen' were honourable, straight and true, and never uttered a word off the record that deviated in any way from what they uttered 'officially' or in public?

And amused that the same people who have put the US down as liars, crooks and cheats and responsible for all the ills of Cyprus in the past up to the present day are now hanging on the every word of their representatives as if they speak the Gospel!

[BirKibrisli]

everything 'revealed' in these 'leaks' that pleases the nationalist GCs is seen as gospel truth!

Everything anyone has posted regarding what is said 'off the record' about the RoC since 1974 and especially after 2004 is seen as total bunkum because it was either not 'officially' announced or waddever!

So if everything spoken about Erdogan and Turkey must be true because it is in the ever so revelationary wikileaks - therefore, presumably, so must the few snippets concerning Cyprus? But I see little or no comment on that.

Next Steps On Cyprus/Papadopolous Dubious Character...

The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how

to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the

EC to open an office to oversee their assistance.

While there will be legal hurdles to managing the

process, he was confident the Commission would find a

way.

Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose

any efforts, noting that they were on their heels

diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle

opposing views on the referendum.

This incident, Patten said, was a sad reflection on

the realities of EU enlargement: Some of the new

members were people you would only want to dine with

if you have a very long spoon. Not that the EU should

have been surprised by Papadopolous' behavior, Patten

said, since they knew well who they were dealing with:

Milosevic's lawyer.
___________________________

When countries join the EU, they become part of the whole, formally and practically indistinct in many areas of EU competence. We have to be ready to trust their food and sanitation standards, for instance. In this regard, he noted that some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain.

Cyprus, for instance, probably should not have been admitted (as Papadapolous' behavior prior to the referendum indicated), but the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates.

All common knowledge before wikileaks. In fact I am amazed at the wonderment of some in response to these latest 'leaks'. Did they believe previous to this that ALL 'US spokesmen' were honourable, straight and true, and never uttered a word off the record that deviated in any way from what they uttered 'officially' or in public?

And amused that the same people who have put the US down as liars, crooks and cheats and responsible for all the ills of Cyprus in the past up to the present day are now hanging on the every word of their representatives as if they speak the Gospel!

Sensible and logical arguments,Gasman...

Spoken like an Englishman/woman!!!

[Gasman]

yeah well - next thing you know we will be reeling in shock at the leaked news that Israel is a bit pissed off with the Palestinians!

[Oracle]

Chris Patten is even less important than Jack Straw. Thrown out to Hong Kong and now festering as far from politics as the government can keep him ...

That the UK was never keen on Papadopoulos and Cyprus' EU entry merely confirms how both these were and are bad news for Turkey.

Now, let's see HMG crawling to Cyprus ...

That's if Putin's "Killer Eyes" don't incinerate the country first ...

(Here's the link to put the lunatic's rantings in perspective conveniently omitted by the googlefarter in its haste to spread her vile, anti-Cypriot propaganda)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... ents/16438

[Hermes]

everything 'revealed' in these 'leaks' that pleases the nationalist GCs is seen as gospel truth!

Everything anyone has posted regarding what is said 'off the record' about the RoC since 1974 and especially after 2004 is seen as total bunkum because it was either not 'officially' announced or waddever!

So if everything spoken about Erdogan and Turkey must be true because it is in the ever so revelationary wikileaks - therefore, presumably, so must the few snippets concerning Cyprus? But I see little or no comment on that.

Next Steps On Cyprus/Papadopolous Dubious Character...

The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how

to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the

EC to open an office to oversee their assistance.

While there will be legal hurdles to managing the

process, he was confident the Commission would find a

way.

Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose

any efforts, noting that they were on their heels

diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle

opposing views on the referendum.

This incident, Patten said, was a sad reflection on

the realities of EU enlargement: Some of the new

members were people you would only want to dine with

if you have a very long spoon. Not that the EU should

have been surprised by Papadopolous' behavior, Patten

said, since they knew well who they were dealing with:

Milosevic's lawyer.
___________________________

When countries join the EU, they become part of the whole, formally and practically indistinct in many areas of EU competence. We have to be ready to trust their food and sanitation standards, for instance. In this regard, he noted that some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain.

Cyprus, for instance, probably should not have been admitted (as Papadapolous' behavior prior to the referendum indicated), but the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates.

All common knowledge before wikileaks. In fact I am amazed at the wonderment of some in response to these latest 'leaks'. Did they believe previous to this that ALL 'US spokesmen' were honourable, straight and true, and never uttered a word off the record that deviated in any way from what they uttered 'officially' or in public?

And amused that the same people who have put the US down as liars, crooks and cheats and responsible for all the ills of Cyprus in the past up to the present day are now hanging on the every word of their representatives as if they speak the Gospel!

Seriously, Britain's antipathy towards Cyprus' EU entry and ex-President Papadopoulos is hardly a surprise. Jack Straw, Tony Blair and Chris Patten were fervent proponents of Turkish EU entry and rightly saw that the accession of Cyprus would be a barrier to that policy. Do the Cypriots give a f**k? I don't think so.

The point of these leaks is not that they tell us something new (although I confess I didn't know about the allegations about Erdogan's Swiss bank accounts) but that they confirm what we have been saying all along. It's reassuring to know that US diplomats had the AKP nailed years ago as a bunch of Islamist nutters with deluded imperial fantasies. It certainly validates the ROC's argument that we are negotiating with a bunch of belligerent dogmatists and not the progressive moderates that some cretins in the EU believe the AKP to be.

As for the impact of these revelations I merely refer you to the AKP's deputy leader, Hüseyin Çelik, who made a speech yesterday accusing Israel of having masterminded the WikiLeaks documents. The Israelis apparently created a brilliant “anti-Turkish plot aimed at weakening the Turkish government.” Putting aside the knee-jerk conspiracy theory, why would he think that Turkey is "weakened" by these revelations? What perception of Turkey has changed?

[Kikapu]

Seriously, Britain's antipathy towards Cyprus' EU entry and ex-President Papadopoulos is hardly a surprise. Jack Straw, Tony Blair and Chris Patten were fervent proponents of Turkish EU entry and rightly saw that the accession of Cyprus would be a barrier to that policy. Do the Cypriots give a f**k? I don't think so.

That's why the Annan Plan was manufactured the way it was, to do away with Cyprus as a nation and give Turkey access to the EU through the Turkish State in the north. The AP was a masterpiece of one of the best deceptions ever planed in my opinion. Too bad they didn't put all that energy and effort into creating a proper peace plan to satisfy both sides.!

[Hermes]

Seriously, Britain's antipathy towards Cyprus' EU entry and ex-President Papadopoulos is hardly a surprise. Jack Straw, Tony Blair and Chris Patten were fervent proponents of Turkish EU entry and rightly saw that the accession of Cyprus would be a barrier to that policy. Do the Cypriots give a f**k? I don't think so.

That's why the Annan Plan was manufactured the way it was, to do away with Cyprus as a nation and give Turkey access to the EU through the Turkish State in the north. The AP was a masterpiece of one of the best deceptions ever planed in my opinion. Too bad they didn't put all that energy and effort into creating a proper peace plan to satisfy both sides.!

Absolutely. The imbeciles at the British Foreign Office and David Hannay in particular devised a "solution" so one-sided that it was impossible for the Greek Cypriots to accept. They clearly thought that this was the 1950s and that we would accept any plan devised in Whitehall and be bloody grateful for it.

Their plan to ease Turkey into the EU at the expense of Cyprus has backfired so spectacularly that they have ended up with their Turkish allies firmly locked out of the EU. Is it any wonder they are spitting blood?

Chris Patten's condescending comments are no surprise. Nor is it a shock to us that Erdogan is described in the WikiLeaks documents as a vain, narrow-minded provincial bigot and that Davutoglu is portrayed as a deluded fantasist with aspirations beyond his means. As I said, the WikiLeaks cables confirm what we have known all along. It just makes a pleasant surprise not to be the only ones saying it.