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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby gabaston » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:52 pm

The biggest shame here is the conceit of posters who state their own opinion as if validated accepted fact. They condemn nations as ignorant uncivilised barbarians, with little to no experience of those nations, which is in itself an act of uncivilised ignorance.

Those with little knowledge of the horrors tc endured under a barbaric oppressive gc govt whose political priority was cleansing cyprus of Turks. Those who fail to admit this are amongst the same who with even more ignorance openly talk of past Ottomans as if they themselves lived through such.

They talk in terms of illegality without regard to their own honour and signatures having been proved worthless. They talk of democracy whilst forgetting they barbarically and with full malice devised plans for the extermination of citizens they vowed to protect. It was they who tore up the only constitution they ever had. They talk of invasion and forget their invasions and massacres of and in Turkish unarmed villages under their democracy.

For you who have forgotten, read these words and understand their full horrific meaning.

“Had Turkey delayed another three days there would not be a single Turk on left on Cyprus today”

Nicos Sampson.
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Postby bg_turk » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:04 am

Turkey could have set an example by treating GCs differently as she intervened, but unfortunately she failed the test of civility as miserably as GC did before that.
I admire the TC, though. Despite everything they endured, they had the courage to say YES to the unification plan. Let's just hope GC will have the courage to take the hand that is extended to them.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:33 am

bg_turk wrote: Despite everything they endured, they had the courage to say YES to the unification plan.


Do you know anything about this plan, or you just assigned it the title of "unification" just because you heard it somewhere and you thought it's nice?
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Postby bg_turk » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:03 am

Given the current situation and the de facto division of the island, yes, the Annan plan was a unification plan.
Maybe it would not have made Cyprus a unitary state as you would have liked it to be, but still it would have made it more unified than it is now.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:34 am

bg_turk wrote:Despite everything they endured, they had the courage to say YES to the unification plan.


Erm, have you even read the text of the Annan Plan?
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:41 am

Absolutely bg_turk, I agree entirely with you. Even now, with some minor changes, the Plan remains our only hope for a united and peaceful Cyprus.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:43 am

Bananiot wrote:Absolutely bg_turk, I agree entirely with you. Even now, with some minor changes, the Plan remains our only hope for a united and peaceful Cyprus.


Why must you be such a traitor to like Annan Plan?
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Postby demetriou_74 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:54 am

Bananiot wrote:Absolutely bg_turk, I agree entirely with you. Even now, with some minor changes, the Plan remains our only hope for a united and peaceful Cyprus.


i know very few people from the occupied north that wanted to vote yes. my family has a lot of land in famagusta and the plan would of not given them justice. the formula for property-compensation does not work. a piece of land that was close to the beach is now a piece of land on one of the best beaches in the medeterainian. you can give 1 general plan. a series of plans needs to be devised to bring justice to all parties.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:57 am

gabaston wrote:“Had Turkey delayed another three days there would not be a single Turk on left on Cyprus today”

Nicos Sampson.


can i ask when this was said. the exact date please. and what was Sampson's roll in the country when he said this. thanks in anticipation.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:14 am

demetriou_74 wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Absolutely bg_turk, I agree entirely with you. Even now, with some minor changes, the Plan remains our only hope for a united and peaceful Cyprus.


i know very few people from the occupied north that wanted to vote yes. my family has a lot of land in famagusta and the plan would of not given them justice. the formula for property-compensation does not work. a piece of land that was close to the beach is now a piece of land on one of the best beaches in the medeterainian. you can give 1 general plan. a series of plans needs to be devised to bring justice to all parties.


Only 65% of TCs..doyou feel that with the leaders we have your uptopian dream will come true? Sometimes you have to take hold of whats on offer and make it work if you have the courage and determination, which for GCs is evidently lacking.
The Annan plan was rejected by you guys for what??? have you got an alternative plan or are you moving forward with a solution, it appears to me that the EU solution balloon burst on May 1 2004 all you have now is a hope that using leverage via EU on negotiations with Turkey will help extract what you (GCs) see as a viable and workable solution. Dont forget you are a very small fish in a big EU ocean and those bigger Pirahana fish (France) will gobble you up for their own benefit, beware of Frenchmen asking for recognition, this could explode in your faces and leave with no leverage whatsoever.
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