Kikapu wrote:BirKibrisli wrote:Kikapu wrote:Oracle wrote:Agreed!
Turkey is nothing without Cyprus.No one would give a second glance to some rootless, nomadic, goat-stealers if they didn't force their way into our faces!
The moment Turkey is thrown out of Cyprus, its disappearance will be guaranteed!
First the gossip, then the leaks, then the counter-effects and the intoxicating build-up of uncertainty within an over-sized, starving, uncivilised, degenerate society will lead to its self-destruction ....
I had written about this before, which was, when I was in Turkey last year, I was talking with a gentleman who seemed to have his political faculties together, and when we talked about Turkey leaving Cyprus because she has no claim on Cyprus, he first disagreed with me that Turkey should be in Cyprus, because of her past history on the island from the Ottoman days, and secondly and more importantly, he claimed that if Turkey did leave Cyprus, it would be the beginning of the end for Turkey as far as remaining intact and that she would break up into several pieces.!
I fail to see how Cyprus is keeping Turkey together in one piece,Kikapu...
If anything it is a heavy burden on Turkey's economic and military resources...It helps to remember one thing about the Turkish people...Their favourite pastime is inventing very complicated internal and external conspiracy theories,and end up believing them to be the gospel truth...
That these theories lack any logical basis seems not to be much of a concern...There is only one factor that could be seriously considered as a cause for division in Turkey,and that is the Kurdish problem...But,if you consider that there are more Kurds living in Istanbul,Izmir,and the relatively afluent coastal towns in the West and the South,there is no pausible way the present Turkish land can ve divided,not in a million years...The PKK leader Ocalan had already stated that their aim is not independence but some sort of self governing arrangement in the East...
Turkey might one day end up as a Federal Democratic Islamic Republic made up of largely self-governing states like the USA,run along Presidential executive powers,but those awaiting the demise of Turkey will be greatly disapppointed...
I was only telling what I had discussed with the Turkish gentleman, which seems to be in line with what Oracle stated along those lines, and she's not even Turkish, which I'm sure she is happy to hear that, as well as the Turkish people.!
Where I give some credence to the Turkish gentleman's argument is this. Turkey has many times stated that Cyprus is their National cause. They are putting all their political eggs in the "Cyprus basket" it seems, that they want to, one way or another, that they will remain in Cyprus in one form or another. This makes the average Turks very nationalistic and strong. When I talked with Turks in Turkey, they believe that Cyprus belongs to Turkey. I don't hear anything about Turkey being in Cyprus to save the TCs. I don't. I only hear that from the TCs in the UK and TCs who live in Cyprus, but not from the average Turks in Turkey. If Cyprus is then the National cause for Turkey and the Turks and should they either pull out voluntarily just because it costs too much or be forced out by a foreign power, it will be the worse national shame and embarrassment the Turks of Turkey will ever face, unless it comes in the form of Turkey becoming an EU member, where it can be explained that the EU is the bigger National cause than Cyprus was. The EU membership is slowly but surely is getting further and further away from Turkey at the moment, however. I believe this would start the internal fighting within Turkey to a point of civil war erupting. At that point, it is any one's guess what will happen to Turkey with the Kurds on one corner, the Armenians on the other, the Islamist on the other, and then the pro Western/EU secularist on the other. It all depends which foreign power (USA) has what desires as to where Turkey will end up in the end, and as what, because Turks are not very good at "saving face" by just walking away from something and expect everything to remain the same as it did before. I think all hell will break loose.!
I think there was a time when there was the danger of a civil war in Turkey...That was when the military was calling the shots,and Turkish nationalism was rampant...All that is behind Turkey...If nothing else Erdogan should be given the credit for putting the Army in its barracks,and establishing civil authority over the whole nation...Remember that the Kurds are Muslems too,and that is what Erdogan will be using more and more to defuse the Kurdish demands for independance...And as I mentioned above there is no way you can squeeze all the Kurds in one geographical area...They are all over Turkey (some 4 million in Istanbul alone) and they are not going anywhere...PKK or no PKK...It should be plainly obvious now that the EU tramp card the GCs have put all their hopes in is not going to work...Both Turkey and the EU are using the Cyprus conflict to advance their own causes...It is obvious ,to me at least,that the Cyprus problem will be solved AFTER Turkey joins the EU and not the other way around...If that never happens than the cyprus problem will never be solved...The North will one day become a state withing the Federal Democratic Islamic Republic of Turkey,which is what is on the cards if the EU refuses Turkey entry...And that is what Erdogan might be banking on...Sort of as Plan B if you like...No the danger for Turkish implosion has past...We all need to adjust to that fact...especially our GC brothers and sisters...
