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[runaway]

'Kull-ü münneccim-ün gazzab'

Ne dediğini anlamıyorum ama bu aralar aramız iyi onun için sana katılıyorum

[Gregory]

Türkiye kadar kafanıza taş düşsün.

Pou na pesei o komorotsos tjai na se kataplakosi re travesta!

[Oracle]

"Contacts cited instances in which operations Highland Warrior and Cedar Sweep had been conducted from the UK sovereign base areas of Akrotiri without the proper ministerial approvals … In addition, Highland Warrior had raised tensions with the Cypriots, jeopardising the UK's hold on Akrotiri."

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The letter said other states, particularly Cyprus, might well object should they find out.

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"She noted that HMG 'desperately needs' [Cyprus] for its own intelligence gathering and operations and was committed to keeping them available to the US (and France).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... on-torture

[denizaksulu]

'Kull-ü münneccim-ün gazzab'

Ne dediğini anlamıyorum ama bu aralar aramız iyi onun için sana katılıyorum

Osmanlı edebiyatında geçen bir deyim.

Lıterally 'acid to the/ mouths of /astrologers'. Meaning, All astrologers are liars. No one can predict the future, so just pour sulphuric acid down their throats.

Kull-ü - all of them

Müneccim = astrologer. müneccim-ün to the astrologers

Kazzab/gazzab = Sulphurıc acid Eski Turkcede kezzap diye biliniyor

People fight with brothers and become friendly with 'enemies'. 'Its not unusual'.

[Kikapu]

Agreed! Turkey is nothing without Cyprus.No one would give a second glance to some rootless, nomadic, goat-stealers if they didn't force their way into our faces!

The moment Turkey is thrown out of Cyprus, its disappearance will be guaranteed!

First the gossip, then the leaks, then the counter-effects and the intoxicating build-up of uncertainty within an over-sized, starving, uncivilised, degenerate society will lead to its self-destruction ....

I had written about this before, which was, when I was in Turkey last year, I was talking with a gentleman who seemed to have his political faculties together, and when we talked about Turkey leaving Cyprus because she has no claim on Cyprus, he first disagreed with me that Turkey should be in Cyprus, because of her past history on the island from the Ottoman days, and secondly and more importantly, he claimed that if Turkey did leave Cyprus, it would be the beginning of the end for Turkey as far as remaining intact and that she would break up into several pieces.!

[Oracle]

Agreed! Turkey is nothing without Cyprus.No one would give a second glance to some rootless, nomadic, goat-stealers if they didn't force their way into our faces!

The moment Turkey is thrown out of Cyprus, its disappearance will be guaranteed!

First the gossip, then the leaks, then the counter-effects and the intoxicating build-up of uncertainty within an over-sized, starving, uncivilised, degenerate society will lead to its self-destruction ....

I had written about this before, which was, when I was in Turkey last year, I was talking with a gentleman who seemed to have his political faculties together, and when we talked about Turkey leaving Cyprus because she has no claim on Cyprus, he first disagreed with me that Turkey should be in Cyprus, because of her past history on the island from the Ottoman days, and secondly and more importantly, he claimed that if Turkey did leave Cyprus, it would be the beginning of the end for Turkey as far as remaining intact and that she would break up into several pieces.!

I do often marvel at how logically detached you remain (very masculine) and yet quietly insightful and intuitive (feminine). Could you have been exposed to the best of both worlds, sharing a womb then maybe a cot, with your twin sister?

[BirKibrisli]

Agreed! Turkey is nothing without Cyprus.No one would give a second glance to some rootless, nomadic, goat-stealers if they didn't force their way into our faces!

The moment Turkey is thrown out of Cyprus, its disappearance will be guaranteed!

First the gossip, then the leaks, then the counter-effects and the intoxicating build-up of uncertainty within an over-sized, starving, uncivilised, degenerate society will lead to its self-destruction ....

I had written about this before, which was, when I was in Turkey last year, I was talking with a gentleman who seemed to have his political faculties together, and when we talked about Turkey leaving Cyprus because she has no claim on Cyprus, he first disagreed with me that Turkey should be in Cyprus, because of her past history on the island from the Ottoman days, and secondly and more importantly, he claimed that if Turkey did leave Cyprus, it would be the beginning of the end for Turkey as far as remaining intact and that she would break up into several pieces.!

I fail to see how Cyprus is keeping Turkey together in one piece,Kikapu...

If anything it is a heavy burden on Turkey's economic and military resources...It helps to remember one thing about the Turkish people...Their favourite pastime is inventing very complicated internal and external conspiracy theories,and end up believing them to be the gospel truth...

That these theories lack any logical basis seems not to be much of a concern...There is only one factor that could be seriously considered as a cause for division in Turkey,and that is the Kurdish problem...But,if you consider that there are more Kurds living in Istanbul,Izmir,and the relatively afluent coastal towns in the West and the South,there is no pausible way the present Turkish land can ve divided,not in a million years...The PKK leader Ocalan had already stated that their aim is not independence but some sort of self governing arrangement in the East...

Turkey might one day end up as a Federal Democratic Islamic Republic made up of largely self-governing states like the USA,run along Presidential executive powers,but those awaiting the demise of Turkey will be greatly disapppointed...

[paliometoxo]

rules people!!!! its against the rules to type in messages in greek or turkish only !!!

[Oracle]

I fail to see how Cyprus is keeping Turkey together in one piece,Kikapu...

If anything it is a heavy burden on Turkey's economic and military resources....

You need to ask yourself why this is a price worth paying. If so much did not depend on it for Turkey's future, they would have pulled out long ago. And no, we've already been told it's not for the sake of 50,000 TCs that Turkey is here.

[Kikapu]

Agreed! Turkey is nothing without Cyprus.No one would give a second glance to some rootless, nomadic, goat-stealers if they didn't force their way into our faces!

The moment Turkey is thrown out of Cyprus, its disappearance will be guaranteed!

First the gossip, then the leaks, then the counter-effects and the intoxicating build-up of uncertainty within an over-sized, starving, uncivilised, degenerate society will lead to its self-destruction ....

I had written about this before, which was, when I was in Turkey last year, I was talking with a gentleman who seemed to have his political faculties together, and when we talked about Turkey leaving Cyprus because she has no claim on Cyprus, he first disagreed with me that Turkey should be in Cyprus, because of her past history on the island from the Ottoman days, and secondly and more importantly, he claimed that if Turkey did leave Cyprus, it would be the beginning of the end for Turkey as far as remaining intact and that she would break up into several pieces.!

I fail to see how Cyprus is keeping Turkey together in one piece,Kikapu...

If anything it is a heavy burden on Turkey's economic and military resources...It helps to remember one thing about the Turkish people...Their favourite pastime is inventing very complicated internal and external conspiracy theories,and end up believing them to be the gospel truth...

That these theories lack any logical basis seems not to be much of a concern...There is only one factor that could be seriously considered as a cause for division in Turkey,and that is the Kurdish problem...But,if you consider that there are more Kurds living in Istanbul,Izmir,and the relatively afluent coastal towns in the West and the South,there is no pausible way the present Turkish land can ve divided,not in a million years...The PKK leader Ocalan had already stated that their aim is not independence but some sort of self governing arrangement in the East...

Turkey might one day end up as a Federal Democratic Islamic Republic made up of largely self-governing states like the USA,run along Presidential executive powers,but those awaiting the demise of Turkey will be greatly disapppointed...

I was only telling what I had discussed with the Turkish gentleman, which seems to be in line with what Oracle stated along those lines, and she's not even Turkish, which I'm sure she is happy to hear that, as well as the Turkish people.!

Where I give some credence to the Turkish gentleman's argument is this. Turkey has many times stated that Cyprus is their National cause. They are putting all their political eggs in the "Cyprus basket" it seems, that they want to, one way or another, that they will remain in Cyprus in one form or another. This makes the average Turks very nationalistic and strong. When I talked with Turks in Turkey, they believe that Cyprus belongs to Turkey. I don't hear anything about Turkey being in Cyprus to save the TCs. I don't. I only hear that from the TCs in the UK and TCs who live in Cyprus, but not from the average Turks in Turkey. If Cyprus is then the National cause for Turkey and the Turks and should they either pull out voluntarily just because it costs too much or be forced out by a foreign power, it will be the worse national shame and embarrassment the Turks of Turkey will ever face, unless it comes in the form of Turkey becoming an EU member, where it can be explained that the EU is the bigger National cause than Cyprus was. The EU membership is slowly but surely is getting further and further away from Turkey at the moment, however. I believe this would start the internal fighting within Turkey to a point of civil war erupting. At that point, it is any one's guess what will happen to Turkey with the Kurds on one corner, the Armenians on the other, the Islamist on the other, and then the pro Western/EU secularist on the other. It all depends which foreign power (USA) has what desires as to where Turkey will end up in the end, and as what, because Turks are not very good at "saving face" by just walking away from something and expect everything to remain the same as it did before. I think all hell will break loose.!