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[Kikapu]

simerini has published christofias red lines:

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/330302

1)will not except anything lesss in territory than the annan plan 5 map(final)plus the rizokarpaso penisula with the four villages

2)with these land adjustments about 100,000 original refugees return put Christofias want the time frame of return alot shorter than the annan plan

3)illegal settlers and settlemnt to be stopped by turkey and all reurned ecxept for a ceiling of 50,000 who will stay for humaintarina reasons.

4)concerning security were i find it interesting Christofias proposal dosent say he wants the treaty of Guranteor terminated however says that he is against unilateral intervention.basically wants a mechanism set up that if cyprus needs help it will be agreed by certain bodies of the international arena.

5)the new republic if there is a agreement will be the continution of the ROC,thus eliminating the virgin birth model.

Pretty balanced if you ask me.

That's what will happen if you do not return 50% of the north back to the GCs. You will end up with 100,000 GCs, that will equal about the same number of TCs + 50,000 settlers given RoC citizenship's, which may be around 110,000-120,000 in total. Good luck in trying to maintain 100% power in the hands of the TCs in the north state. It will be more like 45% GCs and 55% "TCs" to start with, which will gradually start favouring the GCs in a short few years. Don't say I didn't warn you what it would mean for you to try and keep more land than 50% of the north.!

[Viewpoint]

All thats you GCs offer are superficial and can be reversed in a very short period of time. Kikapu you are trying to trick us either way the GCs can take full control of the island.

[Kikapu]

All thats you GCs offer are superficial and can be reversed in a very short period of time. Kikapu you are trying to trick us either way the GCs can take full control of the island.

The difference are, you will have control to keep the north majority TCs if you gave most of the GCs land back to become part of the south state, and no control at all by having 100,000 GCs in the north if you keep most of their land to become part of the north state. I have given you many different scenarios. Personally, Christofias is setting you up by not demanding more GC land to be returned, so that he can get 100,000 GCs to the north to weaken the north state power from the TCs. If you can't see that, then there isn't anything I can do for you to see it. Times have changed and the BBF that was once agreed to in the late 70's has become almost obsolete for the TCs to have a settlement on their terms by keeping most of the north as it is. In 2004 when the RoC became a EU member has changed all that, which added more layers to the BBF which was not there in the late 70's. Your only option to have a settlement and to retain majority TC north state, is to return no less than 50% of the north back to the GCs.!

[boomerang]

All thats you GCs offer are superficial and can be reversed in a very short period of time. Kikapu you are trying to trick us either way the GCs can take full control of the island.

The difference are, you will have control to keep the north majority TCs if you gave most of the GCs land back to become part of the south state, and no control at all by having 100,000 GCs in the north if you keep most of their land to become part of the north state. I have given you many different scenarios. Personally, Christofias is setting you up by not demanding more GC land to be returned, so that he can get 100,000 GCs to the north to weaken the north state power from the TCs. If you can't see that, then there isn't anything I can do for you to see it. Times have changed and the BBF that was once agreed to in the late 70's has become almost obsolete for the TCs to have a settlement on their terms by keeping most of the north as it is. In 2004 when the RoC became a EU member has changed all that, which added more layers to the BBF which was not there in the late 70's. Your only option to have a settlement and to retain majority TC north state, is to return no less than 50% of the north back to the GCs.!

kiks they see it don't you worry about that...they are haggling/hoping for a confederation so one sunny day they break away...but as you said this ain't gonna happen coz the EU the UN and everyone is a backing a bbf...they are playing hard to get...thats all...

don't worry one day they will come around...especially now that drilling is involved and new relationships with israel...

[paliometoxo]

see the gcs bend over backwards for the tcs to make them happy and they take and reject anything unless we give them 100% what they want and gcs nothing but a spit in the face and like it

[kurupetos]

I reject Christofias red lines. Maybe Eroglu has something better to offer in the negotiation table.

[Viewpoint]

All thats you GCs offer are superficial and can be reversed in a very short period of time. Kikapu you are trying to trick us either way the GCs can take full control of the island.

The difference are, you will have control to keep the north majority TCs if you gave most of the GCs land back to become part of the south state, and no control at all by having 100,000 GCs in the north if you keep most of their land to become part of the north state. I have given you many different scenarios. Personally, Christofias is setting you up by not demanding more GC land to be returned, so that he can get 100,000 GCs to the north to weaken the north state power from the TCs. If you can't see that, then there isn't anything I can do for you to see it. Times have changed and the BBF that was once agreed to in the late 70's has become almost obsolete for the TCs to have a settlement on their terms by keeping most of the north as it is. In 2004 when the RoC became a EU member has changed all that, which added more layers to the BBF which was not there in the late 70's. Your only option to have a settlement and to retain majority TC north state, is to return no less than 50% of the north back to the GCs.!

As we discussed before and where I revealed your plan to hand the north to the GCs on plate and sell us out, you have nothing new to offer. If can can accept derogations if we hand 50% then these same derogations can be current if we hand back 30% of the current north, so these proposals are rejected.

[boulio]

well the more land returned the less g/c in the north a example is the town west of famagusta there were four towns very close to each other that were not returned in the annan plan 5 egomi,limnia,ag sergios,stylloi which were all g/c pre 1974 with a total population of 4,500 refugess which could have easily been returned and would do very little to upset the balance of territory since the are so close to each other.

[paliometoxo]

All thats you GCs offer are superficial and can be reversed in a very short period of time. Kikapu you are trying to trick us either way the GCs can take full control of the island.

The difference are, you will have control to keep the north majority TCs if you gave most of the GCs land back to become part of the south state, and no control at all by having 100,000 GCs in the north if you keep most of their land to become part of the north state. I have given you many different scenarios. Personally, Christofias is setting you up by not demanding more GC land to be returned, so that he can get 100,000 GCs to the north to weaken the north state power from the TCs. If you can't see that, then there isn't anything I can do for you to see it. Times have changed and the BBF that was once agreed to in the late 70's has become almost obsolete for the TCs to have a settlement on their terms by keeping most of the north as it is. In 2004 when the RoC became a EU member has changed all that, which added more layers to the BBF which was not there in the late 70's. Your only option to have a settlement and to retain majority TC north state, is to return no less than 50% of the north back to the GCs.!

As we discussed before and where I revealed your plan to hand the north to the GCs on plate and sell us out, you have nothing new to offer. If can can accept derogations if we hand 50% then these same derogations can be current if we hand back 30% of the current north, so these proposals are rejected.

now who are the ones rejecting everything, maybe we should hold it against you every chance and say your the ones at fault that we cant find a solution your rejecting every good proposal even when you are given more then us.. its not enough to have a little extra you want everything and us nothing

[Viewpoint]

Palio can you tell us whats extra?