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Why does'nt the South support the North?

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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:58 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


Agreed. It will take a long time, a very long time.

Can you envision some way of hastening this process? Just say NO to Turkey with some secret talks with the GCs in the background perhaps?

The problem with this is that Turkey will undoubtely view this as an insurgency which it will crush.

The correct channels would be to go through the EU.


I do not doubt it. The settlers alone have enough kasatura's (knives) at the drop of a hat.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:56 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


As I've said to you already, you need to make that initial investment/movement yourself, like the "down payment for a house" if you want the RoC to help you. You will need to start the movement in wanting Turkey to go back home with her troops and settlers. If some money is required to get that movement going is one thing, that the RoC or the EU can fund, but to take over the financial burden the occupying power is required to do, will not work. There is no way that the RoC is going to pay to support a secessionist regime in the north, since most of this money will go to the "trnc" to pay it's under worked and overpaid workers. South Korea has been sending aid to the north for a long time, and all they got in return is being shelled by the north. Turkey controls the north, therefore there is nothing you can do to escape her hold on you, no matter how much money is given to you by the south. Turkey will just take that money from you, calming is the money you owe her for the last 36 years she has been supporting you. Turkey did make it clear to you, did she not, that all the money you receive from her is a LOAN and not a GIFT. You are then back to square one, and the RoC will not get anything for her money. All they have become is being a "sugar-daddy" to pay off your loans from Turkey to Turkey for the next 36 years and longer, and you will be in no better place economically, because you still won't be able to produce very much to sell to anyone.

You have already lost your voting power in the north to the settlers for that 13th pay all those years, so there is no way you can form any political party to overcome their vote. In a word, you are "screwed". The "trnc parliament" is still mostly TCs at the moment, so why don't they pass a bill to say they will no longer want Turkey in the north and that they want to work with the RoC to establish a working and unifying relationship and start the ball rolling, after they have agreed with the RoC with secret talks beforehand. They can demand to receive all their food being imported from the RoC and not Turkey, therefore, all the money the RoC would pump into the north will find itself back to the RoC when the north pays for the imports. Just like how it is done now with Turkey. Everything Turkey pays the "trnc" ends up going back to Turkey and more, in the form of paying for the imports from Turkey.

If you want to achieve what you want to achieve, if you are serious that is, is for the TCs to move to the south and start a political movement there to oppose Turkey and the settlers from the safety being in the RoC and EU territory. You can form your opposing to Turkey with a political party in the RoC and then speak out against Turkey. If you dare to do it in the north, you will be crushed, and not so much by Turkey, but by all the NeoPartitionist fascists in the north. If they should fail, then Turkey will do it for sure. Your only hope to improve the lives of the TCs and generating a good economy is when Turkey leaves Cyprus and that the whole country of Cyprus works as one country. Anything short of that, is a waste of time to talk about it. Start the movement first, get results, and the money will come one way or other.! If the RoC starts paying the bills in the north unilaterally and prematurely, it will be seen that the RoC not only accepts the illegal north state, but is also willing to bankroll it, in their hopes that the TCs will get rid of Turkey. The RoC has better chance by putting that money on number "31" at a roulette table each month at a casino in the north. There would be better chance of getting something back for risking all that money for nothing in the north at the moment with it's present condition.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:38 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


Agreed. It will take a long time, a very long time.

Can you envision some way of hastening this process? Just say NO to Turkey with some secret talks with the GCs in the background perhaps?


You are not really thinking this through we have some talks with GCs and stand up to Turkey they stop our monthly financial package and the GC back out where do you think you will be? arent you being rather naive?
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:43 pm

some tcs already say no to turkey and turkey just silences them...
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:44 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


Agreed. It will take a long time, a very long time.

Can you envision some way of hastening this process? Just say NO to Turkey with some secret talks with the GCs in the background perhaps?

The problem with this is that Turkey will undoubtely view this as an insurgency which it will crush.

The correct channels would be to go through the EU.


This has to be conducted through the correct channels as to avoid confrontation but once both sides commit to this route there is no going back or backing down leaving the other side in the shit.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:51 pm

paliometoxo wrote:some tcs already say no to turkey and turkey just silences them...


a few people are not enough it has to be the TCs GCs EU and UN.
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:04 pm

i bet even if all the tcs said go home turkey they would say shut up.. eu and gcs already say turkey get out of cyprus even the un has laws for turkey to go home...
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:05 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


As I've said to you already, you need to make that initial investment/movement yourself, like the "down payment for a house" if you want the RoC to help you. You will need to start the movement in wanting Turkey to go back home with her troops and settlers. If some money is required to get that movement going is one thing, that the RoC or the EU can fund, but to take over the financial burden the occupying power is required to do, will not work. There is no way that the RoC is going to pay to support a secessionist regime in the north, since most of this money will go to the "trnc" to pay it's under worked and overpaid workers. South Korea has been sending aid to the north for a long time, and all they got in return is being shelled by the north. Turkey controls the north, therefore there is nothing you can do to escape her hold on you, no matter how much money is given to you by the south. Turkey will just take that money from you, calming is the money you owe her for the last 36 years she has been supporting you. Turkey did make it clear to you, did she not, that all the money you receive from her is a LOAN and not a GIFT. You are then back to square one, and the RoC will not get anything for her money. All they have become is being a "sugar-daddy" to pay off your loans from Turkey to Turkey for the next 36 years and longer, and you will be in no better place economically, because you still won't be able to produce very much to sell to anyone.

You have already lost your voting power in the north to the settlers for that 13th pay all those years, so there is no way you can form any political party to overcome their vote. In a word, you are "screwed". The "trnc parliament" is still mostly TCs at the moment, so why don't they pass a bill to say they will no longer want Turkey in the north and that they want to work with the RoC to establish a working and unifying relationship and start the ball rolling, after they have agreed with the RoC with secret talks beforehand. They can demand to receive all their food being imported from the RoC and not Turkey, therefore, all the money the RoC would pump into the north will find itself back to the RoC when the north pays for the imports. Just like how it is done now with Turkey. Everything Turkey pays the "trnc" ends up going back to Turkey and more, in the form of paying for the imports from Turkey.

If you want to achieve what you want to achieve, if you are serious that is, is for the TCs to move to the south and start a political movement there to oppose Turkey and the settlers from the safety being in the RoC and EU territory. You can form your opposing to Turkey with a political party in the RoC and then speak out against Turkey. If you dare to do it in the north, you will be crushed, and not so much by Turkey, but by all the NeoPartitionist fascists in the north. If they should fail, then Turkey will do it for sure. Your only hope to improve the lives of the TCs and generating a good economy is when Turkey leaves Cyprus and that the whole country of Cyprus works as one country. Anything short of that, is a waste of time to talk about it. Start the movement first, get results, and the money will come one way or other.! If the RoC starts paying the bills in the north unilaterally and prematurely, it will be seen that the RoC not only accepts the illegal north state, but is also willing to bankroll it, in their hopes that the TCs will get rid of Turkey. The RoC has better chance by putting that money on number "31" at a roulette table each month at a casino in the north. There would be better chance of getting something back for risking all that money for nothing in the north at the moment with it's present condition.!


This is probably by far your worst post to date, the negativity and anti cooperation theme says more about your real intentions than anything else, you have dropped your mask once and for all and revealed that you are never to be trusted. My ideology is clear and precise strengthen the TCs hand to work with Gcs to unite the country without confrontation. Everything comes in steps with the financial backing the TCs will be able ot reduce the "settlers" vote and if the TCs should renege on any part of their agreements to eg take down the flag or hand back Maraş then the answers very simple the GCs can stop the aid but if we have progressed and the Gcs try to exploit their power then the EU will step into take control and reward or penalize the guilty party. Obviously you are just like any other GCs who does not want to commit to anything that will bring about union on an equal footing but as we all know try to enforce your own faulty plane that will give the GCs the opportunity to take control of the whole island pushing us to one side and minority status.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:11 pm

paliometoxo wrote:i bet even if all the tcs said go home turkey they would say shut up.. eu and gcs already say turkey get out of cyprus even the un has laws for turkey to go home...


The TCs would tip the balance as we are the ones who want Turkey to stay but without financial backing they would never change sides and oppose Turkey why are you finding it so difficult to understand?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:21 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:Deniz you have to push your bounderies and everything cannot be achieved overnight. Firstly if the GCs backed by the EU commit to support the norths economy until it can develop to a stage where this support is no longer required. Once this has been establish a new political party would be formed to gather support and get itself elected to start the process of getting Turkey to depart no longer will she be able to blackmail by threatening to stop funding the north therefore her influence will diminish couple this with international pressure Turkey will have to move out.

The TCs also have to commit to returning Maras and settlers so that GCs feel confident to provide the initial support necessary to make this viable. Other economic measures should also be taken to lessen the financial burden on the south but everone has to think long term and consider the benefits.


Agreed. It will take a long time, a very long time.

Can you envision some way of hastening this process? Just say NO to Turkey with some secret talks with the GCs in the background perhaps?


You are not really thinking this through we have some talks with GCs and stand up to Turkey they stop our monthly financial package and the GC back out where do you think you will be? arent you being rather naive?



Doesnt your suggestion show your niavety? I am just going along with your game.
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