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Postby Gregory » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:59 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?


Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.
:evil:


No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.


I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.


Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.


It's only EU countries that can breach EU regulations. Turkey is not an EU country.
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so which are you claiming? That the occupied areas is part of the EU, that its a separate country or that its part of Turkey?
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Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:57 pm

Try as you might, VW, to make the occupied north appear as EU-ish as you can, and demand EU rights as suits; the reality is it is an illegally occupied military area and if the RoC wanted to impose no-go regulations on certain people, then it jolly well can.

We've done this to death, but your argument also falls down when applied to entry to the SBAs.
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Re: British-led Safari Tours to the occupied territory ...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:46 pm

Oracle wrote:British-led Safari Tours to the occupied territory

The Green Line Regulation and subsequent amendments, may have a say in this but I haven't got the time tonight to examine the issue...

(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU, special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus.


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Postby mountainman » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:48 pm

What a surprise, oracle bad-mouthing Brits, that record has gotta be nearly worn out by now. Lol
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Re: British-led Safari Tours to the occupied territory ...

Postby RichardB » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:British-led Safari Tours to the occupied territory

The Green Line Regulation and subsequent amendments, may have a say in this but I haven't got the time tonight to examine the issue...

(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU, special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus.


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Come on young man get up to speed I already posted that :wink:
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Re: British-led Safari Tours to the occupied territory ...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:53 pm

RichardB wrote:Come on young man get up to speed I already posted that :wink:

Really? :lol: Sorry, haven't read through this one yet!
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Postby B25 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:53 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
RichardB wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
RichardB wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?


Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.
:evil:


Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.


It is not "wrong" to "allow" it. You don't allow it - it is allowed by EU law. It is nothing to do with you whether it is allowed or not.
Geddit?


COUNCIL REGULATION (EC) No 866/2004
of 29.4.2004
on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol No 10 of the Act of Accession
as amended by Council Resolution (EC) No 293/2005
of 17 February 2005


(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU,special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. As the abovementioned areas are temporarily outside the customs and fiscal territory of the
Community and outside the area of freedom, justice and security, the special rules should secure an equivalent standard of protection of the security of the EU with regard to illegal immigration and threats to public order, and of its economic interests as far as the
movement of goods is concerned. Until sufficient information is available with regard tothe state of animal health in the abovementioned areas, the movement of animals and animal products will be prohibited.


Maybe the visits coud be stopped by virtue of the fact that the legitimate govt cannot guarantee the freedom , justice and security for EU Citizens


No-one is asking them to.


VW, mate you have lost this one, all the RoC has to do is cite 'Technical Problems' just as the turks do and hey presto! No more crossings.

They could even cite security issues like, 'We have reason to believe...... Alqa' ida (sp?) ...... ' and again close the crossings.

You cannot have it both ways, either your are in or out of the EU.

Period.
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:44 am

Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?


Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.
:evil:


No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.


I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.


Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.


It's only EU countries that can breach EU regulations. Turkey is not an EU country.
:roll:


so which are you claiming? That the occupied areas is part of the EU, that its a separate country or that its part of Turkey?


I am claiming that the TRNC is in the EU. However, you claim it's the "occupying forces" that are breaching EU regulations. As these "occupying forces" are Turkish and Turkey isn't in the EU, how can they breach EU regulations? EU regulations don't/won't apply to Turkey until it is part of the EU.
Geddit?
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Postby ZoC » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:05 am

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?


Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.
:evil:


No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.


I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.


Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.


It's only EU countries that can breach EU regulations. Turkey is not an EU country.
:roll:


so which are you claiming? That the occupied areas is part of the EU, that its a separate country or that its part of Turkey?


I am claiming that the TRNC is in the EU. However, you claim it's the "occupying forces" that are breaching EU regulations. As these "occupying forces" are Turkish and Turkey isn't in the EU, how can they breach EU regulations? EU regulations don't/won't apply to Turkey until it is part of the EU.
Geddit?


i am claiming ur a lowlife so any shit u spout isn't worth the paper its wiped on. geddit?
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:12 am

ZoC wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Gregory wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?


Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.
:evil:


No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.


I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.


Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.


It's only EU countries that can breach EU regulations. Turkey is not an EU country.
:roll:


so which are you claiming? That the occupied areas is part of the EU, that its a separate country or that its part of Turkey?


I am claiming that the TRNC is in the EU. However, you claim it's the "occupying forces" that are breaching EU regulations. As these "occupying forces" are Turkish and Turkey isn't in the EU, how can they breach EU regulations? EU regulations don't/won't apply to Turkey until it is part of the EU.
Geddit?


i am claiming ur a lowlife so any shit u spout isn't worth the paper its wiped on. geddit?


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