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[RichardB]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

[vaughanwilliams]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

It is not "wrong" to "allow" it. You don't allow it - it is allowed by EU law. It is nothing to do with you whether it is allowed or not.
Geddit?

[Oracle]

Defame Cyprus how ??... by saying " I know its special"??

Threaten you how ??.... insult you and expose your crass, obvious, racist stupidity yes

Lies where ??..... I only passed on personal ACTUAL experience

The only "psychotic obsessions" are your own, maybe time to consider laying off that little glass pipe

Having a few senior moments just because we've turned the page, huh.

So, your "personal experience" is that I smoke crack and live in Scotland? Don't bother telling me what you've been on! Probably bought on one of your trips into the "North"!

..........................


A little reminder to those who are doing some cash-in-hand moonlighting safari trips into the occupied areas with tourists who are otherwise legally staying at the "Holiday lets" they look after in the free areas ...


"The authorities of the Republic of Cyprus maintain their position that all properties situated in the occupied area of the Republic of Cyprus including hotels, restaurants, shops and other establishments, are not evidently owned, controlled and managed by their legal owners. These properties have been illegally aliened by the occupation regime to people that manage them, without the consent of their rightful owners. The conscious use of such property and particularly overnight stay in the aforesaid hotels or other resorts is illegal and subject to the laws of the Republic regarding the conscious use of stolen property."

Bit of an all-encompassing, sweeping claim, isn't it?
This is clearly not true and discredits the rest of the statement.

Yes, good innit? A firm stand by the RoC which is the ultimate custodian of the whole of Cyprus!

[RichardB]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

It is not "wrong" to "allow" it. You don't allow it - it is allowed by EU law. It is nothing to do with you whether it is allowed or not.
Geddit?

COUNCIL REGULATION (EC) No 866/2004
of 29.4.2004
on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol No 10 of the Act of Accession
as amended by Council Resolution (EC) No 293/2005
of 17 February 2005


(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU,special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. As the abovementioned areas are temporarily outside the customs and fiscal territory of the
Community and outside the area of freedom, justice and security, the special rules should secure an equivalent standard of protection of the security of the EU with regard to illegal immigration and threats to public order, and of its economic interests as far as the
movement of goods is concerned. Until sufficient information is available with regard tothe state of animal health in the abovementioned areas, the movement of animals and animal products will be prohibited.


Maybe the visits coud be stopped by virtue of the fact that the legitimate govt cannot guarantee the freedom , justice and security for EU Citizens

[Oracle]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

Kalimera RB. An excellent rant with many good points. However, I am not too sure that anyone has a "right" to enter the occupied areas because of administrative suspension; and special rules apply, such as, regarding the means of entry and lengths of stay etc. I'm sure the RoC could stop this traffic of tourists if it was alerted to the long-term danger it poses for a solution. There should be some rule which prevents non-residents taking tourists to guide them around villages and gawk at what the GCs have "lost". If people come to Cyprus, they should be restricted to the free areas. The war zone should be out-of-bounds so that the message is clear about what the refugees have to face. Also allowing such 'guides' to show others around gives them license to impart their own, maybe, unacceptable and inaccurate views which wrongly inform visitors to the island. I imagine these 'guides' would be Turkish sympathisers to want to carry out such tours anyway. They will also become protective of their lucrative set-ups and consequently prefer partition, hence promoting it at every opportunity.

I just want to see a reversal of this tendency to get comfortable with arrangements, constructed to get the two communities intermixing but exploited by those who have no deep sympathies with Cyprus but want see it as a convenient place to make money and get away from a past life.

Of course all GCs/Cypriots and their partners have a right to visit their homeland. Restrictions need only be imparted to those who might 'live in' Cyprus but are not citizens and have no familial/ancestral affiliations.

Personally, I do think it's wrong, morally and politically, to go to the occupied area for "fun", in all its forms, but of course Cypriots should be able to make the choice for themselves. Unfortunately, the refugees cannot do what they want to do the most.

Of course, realistically, Turkey's guns have the last say ...

[vaughanwilliams]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

It is not "wrong" to "allow" it. You don't allow it - it is allowed by EU law. It is nothing to do with you whether it is allowed or not.
Geddit?

COUNCIL REGULATION (EC) No 866/2004
of 29.4.2004
on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol No 10 of the Act of Accession
as amended by Council Resolution (EC) No 293/2005
of 17 February 2005


(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU,special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. As the abovementioned areas are temporarily outside the customs and fiscal territory of the
Community and outside the area of freedom, justice and security, the special rules should secure an equivalent standard of protection of the security of the EU with regard to illegal immigration and threats to public order, and of its economic interests as far as the
movement of goods is concerned. Until sufficient information is available with regard tothe state of animal health in the abovementioned areas, the movement of animals and animal products will be prohibited.


Maybe the visits coud be stopped by virtue of the fact that the legitimate govt cannot guarantee the freedom , justice and security for EU Citizens

No-one is asking them to.

[RichardB]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

Maybe they have the RIGHT but ethically it is WRONG to allow this.

Pehaps it is time the Cypriot authorities became more stringent in there checking of vehicles on Exit and on re-entry into the Legal areas.

To get back to the original topic, If, and I am not saying it is happening, Brits are making money from this illegally, that is to say not being registered and not paying tax etc it should be quite easy to pick up on the crossing points and such persons should be prosecuted under relavent legislation.

Another point I would like to make is that I feel that the ROC authorities are lagging way behind now in the area of making tourists, and indeed expat residents aware of the situation on the Island.

Most of the larger Hotels have arrival 'parties' where the incoming guests are given a talk about the Island , local sights , trips available etc.
Maybe this should include a short talk on the recent history of the Island. (maybe a job for CTO) to increase awareness of the situation.

For residents a Cypriotness test could be given ...as has been proposed for immigrants to the UK. Icannot see any great difficulty in arranging this

Oh well rant over

Good Morning to all.

It is not "wrong" to "allow" it. You don't allow it - it is allowed by EU law. It is nothing to do with you whether it is allowed or not.
Geddit?

COUNCIL REGULATION (EC) No 866/2004
of 29.4.2004
on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol No 10 of the Act of Accession
as amended by Council Resolution (EC) No 293/2005
of 17 February 2005


(4) Since the abovementioned line does not constitute an external border of the EU,special rules concerning the crossing of goods, services and persons need to be established, the prime responsibility for which belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. As the abovementioned areas are temporarily outside the customs and fiscal territory of the
Community and outside the area of freedom, justice and security, the special rules should secure an equivalent standard of protection of the security of the EU with regard to illegal immigration and threats to public order, and of its economic interests as far as the
movement of goods is concerned. Until sufficient information is available with regard tothe state of animal health in the abovementioned areas, the movement of animals and animal products will be prohibited.


Maybe the visits coud be stopped by virtue of the fact that the legitimate govt cannot guarantee the freedom , justice and security for EU Citizens

No-one is asking them to.

The EU is by making it the PRIME responsibility of the Republic of Cyprus - If they cannot guarantee the freedom justice and security outside their areas of juridicsion then they could put a stop to it

[ZoC]

Defame Cyprus how ??... by saying " I know its special"??

Threaten you how ??.... insult you and expose your crass, obvious, racist stupidity yes

Lies where ??..... I only passed on personal ACTUAL experience

The only "psychotic obsessions" are your own, maybe time to consider laying off that little glass pipe

Having a few senior moments just because we've turned the page, huh.

So, your "personal experience" is that I smoke crack and live in Scotland? Don't bother telling me what you've been on! Probably bought on one of your trips into the "North"!

..........................


A little reminder to those who are doing some cash-in-hand moonlighting safari trips into the occupied areas with tourists who are otherwise legally staying at the "Holiday lets" they look after in the free areas ...


"The authorities of the Republic of Cyprus maintain their position that all properties situated in the occupied area of the Republic of Cyprus including hotels, restaurants, shops and other establishments, are not evidently owned, controlled and managed by their legal owners. These properties have been illegally aliened by the occupation regime to people that manage them, without the consent of their rightful owners. The conscious use of such property and particularly overnight stay in the aforesaid hotels or other resorts is illegal and subject to the laws of the Republic regarding the conscious use of stolen property."

Bit of an all-encompassing, sweeping claim, isn't it?
This is clearly not true and discredits the rest of the statement.

Yes, good innit? A firm stand by the RoC which is the ultimate custodian of the whole of Cyprus!

wotever... ur a steaming piece of turd and ur place is in a latrine.

[Gregory]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.

I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.

Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.

[vaughanwilliams]

So your only reaction is to defame Cyprus, just because I have noticed a drawback to allowing foreigners to freely visit the occupied areas, huh?

Why does it bother YOU so much that you resort to swearing at me, threatening me and Cyprus and then pass on the evil lies that some googlefarters have been PM-ing around the forum in their psychotic obsession with me?

Sorry, you aren't "allowing" anything. These "foreigners" are EU citizens who have a RIGHT to visit the North and don't need your permission.

No, VW. The occupied north has special provisions, being a militarily occupied territory whereby the RoC cannot offer protection. So it's up to the RoC whether anyone can visit, let alone non-residents.

I'll take a link or source on that or my reply is:
Utter nonsense! The North is in the EU and all EU citizens have a right of access to any other EU country.

Then please inform the occupying forces that they are breaching EU regulation by stamping passports or papers with so-called visas.

It's only EU countries that can breach EU regulations. Turkey is not an EU country.