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[B25]

This is for Piratis but any of the GC extreme right wing, forum bash patriots can answer it too.

Suppose in Cyprus the majority was made up of TC's. Let us say 70% TC and 30% GC. Cyprus is an independent country but the vast majority of the TC's are not contented with independence but want Cyprus to become part of Turkey. Would Piratis take up arms to prevent this from happening or will he resign to the wishes of the majority.

Piratis, I need an honest answer, pleae.

Thats a non-sensical question, here is a real life example for you Bananiot.

When wales wanted devolution the referendum for won it by just a few votes. Did the 49.x% against take up arms to stop it??? or did they follow the democratic vote of the majority, however small it was.

Do the 20 million Kurds have there own state, do the 5m turks in Germany have their own state? Do any minorities have their own state within the host country??

Answer that honestly and you will have answered your own question.

So your saying the GCs should not object to enosis with Turkey?

You lost me, but in simple terms, the majority in the host country has the say which way they go.

When you give the 20m kurds their own state, we will think about yours, hows that??

[Viewpoint]

So your saying it would be fine for the TCs being the majority to demand enosis with Turkey knowing that you would be in danger? You GCs are not being very honest here nor are you giving clear answers leads me to believe you would do everything in your power to stop such a union with Turkey.

[Kikapu]

This is for Piratis but any of the GC extreme right wing, forum bash patriots can answer it too.

Suppose in Cyprus the majority was made up of TC's. Let us say 70% TC and 30% GC. Cyprus is an independent country but the vast majority of the TC's are not contented with independence but want Cyprus to become part of Turkey. Would Piratis take up arms to prevent this from happening or will he resign to the wishes of the majority.

Piratis, I need an honest answer, pleae.

Bananiot, help me out here for a minute, please.

When Cyprus was under the Ottoman Rule for 300 years, did the minority "GCs" take up arm against the Majority Ottoman Empire to prevent being ruled by them.?? Didn't the "GCs" just accepted the fact that the majority force got it's way against the wishes of the minority. Same with the British Rulers when the majority force got it's way against the minority. When independence came to Cyprus, the majority force tried to do what the previous majority forces did do, and now Turkey, is also doing the same as a majority force what the Ottomans did, what the British did, what the GCs tried to do, therefore, if it was OK for the Ottomans, the British and Turkey, then why not for the GCs.? I'm just asking the question since you raised the subject of majority force domination over the minority, that's all.!

[Viewpoint]

Did the minority fight back in your examples?

[Get Real!]

This is for Piratis but any of the GC extreme right wing, forum bash patriots can answer it too.

Suppose in Cyprus the majority was made up of TC's. Let us say 70% TC and 30% GC. Cyprus is an independent country but the vast majority of the TC's are not contented with independence but want Cyprus to become part of Turkey. Would Piratis take up arms to prevent this from happening or will he resign to the wishes of the majority.

Piratis, I need an honest answer, pleae.

I don’t know about the rest but I for one would simply LEAVE!

A majority is a majority and that means that…

1. It cannot be easily changed.

2. I have to either swim with the flow of the river or get out!

[BirKibrisli]

Bananiot asked a very specific question,and he deserves a very specific answer...So far only GR attempted to gi ve a specific answer...The rest of our right wing GC friends are clouding the issue,avoiding the question...

Come on,we are waiting Piratis et al...

[Piratis]

This is for Piratis but any of the GC extreme right wing, forum bash patriots can answer it too.

Suppose in Cyprus the majority was made up of TC's. Let us say 70% TC and 30% GC. Cyprus is an independent country but the vast majority of the TC's are not contented with independence but want Cyprus to become part of Turkey. Would Piratis take up arms to prevent this from happening or will he resign to the wishes of the majority.

Piratis, I need an honest answer, pleae.

If Cyprus first had Turkish majority and they didn't became the majority by murdering and ethnically cleansing us, and Greeks came to Cyprus later than them, then no, I wouldn't take up arms to prevent this from happening and I would accept the wishes of the majority. Then I would decide if I wanted to live as a Turkish citizen or I would just leave from the island and go somewhere that Greeks are the majority.

Do you know of any territory that has 82% Turkish majority and which is not part of Turkey? Aren't there ethnic Greeks who are minorities in other countries, including Turkey? We don't need any imaginary scenarios because your question is answered by the real world.

What would YOU do Bananiot? Would you take up arms and start killing innocent people in order to force your own will in an undemocratic way? It is obvious that you are the extremist here, because what I support is nothing more and nothing less than what is the norm in the whole world.

And your question is not even analogous. (1) The TCs are 18% minority, not 30%. (2) When we first demanded enosis Cyprus was not independent but was a colony, and according to the UN resolution for de-colonization "integration into an independent State" is one of the "the three legitimate options of full self-government"
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

[Piratis]

Bananiot asked a very specific question,and he deserves a very specific answer...So far only GR attempted to gi ve a specific answer...The rest of our right wing GC friends are clouding the issue,avoiding the question...

Come on,we are waiting Piratis et al...

Since when democracy, human rights, and equality of all citizens without racist discriminations and without segregation is classifieds as "right wing"?

Right Wing is what you are. You support the violation of the human rights of innocent people and ethnic cleansing and you call such things a "solution". You want to divide and segregate people based on their ethnicity, and impose an undemocratic system so you can have gains on the expense of others. Hitler would be proud of you! Yes, thats the same Hitler who invade Czechoslovakia to "protect" his minority. You have so much in common with him!

[Piratis]

Bananiot seems to believe that the way TCs reacted to the perfectly legitimate (as Bananiot admited) demand for enosis, was a natural one and that anybody in their place would do the same. This is not the case. Rhodes, which also has a Muslim/Turkish minority, united with Greece a few years earlier, and not a single nose broke over this.

The reason the TCs reacted in such a violent way, contrary to their Rhodian counterparts, was because the UK and Turkey used them as the means and the excuse to deny to Cypriots their self-determination, so that the Imperialists could keep troops and control over our island. The Imperialists used the TCs as their pawns, by enticing them with offers of gains of land and power on the expense of the majority. This is what they continue doing today. This is why there is a Cyprus Problem and not a Rhodes Problem.

[Gasman]

GR, you say you would leave if such a hypothetical situation came to pass. You would presumably be happy then to live in a 'foreign' country as a member of a minority community there? I should say 'again' I suppose.

Which country would you choose? Obviously not the UK, where so many other GCs have chosen, as you have made it clear how miserable your life was living there as a 'bubble' and how you rejoiced in surrendering your British passport.

I doubt it would be the US considering your deep hatred of the country.

Australia?