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[BirKibrisli]

But you are wrong, and we are not going to be seen as conquerors but as liberators. The Jews are only seen as conquerors of the additional territory they took with the war of 1967, not the Israel state established in 1948.

You have truly lost the plot,Piratis.
What Afro was saying is that the Turks will see you as conquerors,not liberators...Hence they will wait for the balance of power to change again to 'liberate' what you have 'conquered' from them...And it will go on ad infinitum...

What the Turks think is not important as long as the rest of the world recognizes the fact that we are liberation our own lands. If the world would recognize the "trnc" would the TCs care about what we think? I really don't think so.

Regarding the "ad infinitum" I already gave an answer. The only way to brake this "circle of blood", is for the Turks, who were the ones who attacked us first, to end the problem they created, by accepting that Cyprus doesn't belong to them, but belongs to the Cypriot people who should be free to do with their own island what they want.

If you are not willing to end the conflict by letting Cyprus free, then don't hope that the conflict will end by us surrendering our lands to you. Better for the conflict to continue ad infinitum rather than you having a final victory over us.

That's what I thought...What Turks think doesn't matter to you...Like what the TCs thought of your ENOSIS dream did not matter in the 50s...All because in your mind Cyprus is a Greek island,and he Ottomans had no business conquering it in 1571...I got it ,Piratis,loud and clear...Good luck with your endless attempts to turn history back,and turn Cyprus into a Hellenic island,just like it was pre 1571...

But hang on,Cyprus was not a Hellenic island before 1571!!! I am now really confused!

[BirKibrisli]

BirKibrisli,

I don’t have a problem with you admitting that you and your family were TMT members/participants, but I DO have a problem when you then say things like…

The beauty of the digital age is that these little posts of ours will survive us,in all likelihood...future generations of Cypriots will be gobsmacked to see how intransigent your stand was...You will be condemned forever for causing untold damage to the people of Cyprus...Nothing will save you from history's judgement...And that judgement will be very harsh indeed..

…to people like Piratis who did not even exist in those days!


In other words, I just can’t stand your ugly hypocrisy!

There is no hypocrisy,ugly or otherwise...

Piratis is a callous and dangerous GC propagandist who is trying to justify the pain and suffering inflicted upon the TC people during the 60s and early part of 70s...He is attempting to rewrite our bloody history to justify the treacherous act of wanting to gift my country to Greece...I am simply telling him that he will not escape the harsh judgement of history...Because the truth has a way of coming out in the end...

BirKibrisli, stop feeling that T/cs are the victims of this tragety we are leaving in Cyprus.

Start to be pragmatist and consider the "real fact" that T/cs ,as remains of Ottomans were just used by Turkey as their Trojan horse to re-enter and re-establish their lost rights in the Island.

Turks and T/cs are a "foreign body" in Cyprus. Only one way is available Cyprus to became Turkish. Turkish army to move and occupy the South also and to wait 400 years. -If no one appear in G/cs society to send you to hell then there is a possibility. You have other 360 years ahead..you hv to wait

Have you ever considered one thing...The Ottomans ruled Cyprus for over 300 years..That is a very very long time in recorded history...How and why did the GO Church and GC community came out of Ottoman rule stronger than ever before????Only logical and sensible answers will be considered...

Same reason Greece came out of 400 years of Ottoman rule as a strong independent and modern country. The reason being because the West, sickened into action by persistent Ottomans, came out in unison and drove them back. Cyprus, although not exactly stronger after 300 years of ottomans, went into the clutches of another ruler although it was one who, for a period of time, respected the Greek inhabitants of Cyprus. The same western force is gathering at the moment to liberate Cyprus from the second invasion and rule by Otto-Turks.

The Ottomans had total power and domination over Greece and Cyprus for hundreds of years...If they wanted to they could've turned you into Eskimos let alone Turks in that time...But they didn't,and your language ,religion and culture came out pretty much unscratched...Why and how??? Answer that question...

Because you Turks were/are too stupid to do anything else.

What are you saying??? That we were too stupid because we gave you enough freedom to practise your language and religion and culture for hundreds of years...??? And since you are not stupid,does that mean you are going to totally annihilate anything and everything Turkish from the face of the earth when the balance of power changes and you become the conquerors???

The Ottomans didn't annihilate everybody not because they cared or because they were stupid but because they wanted to exploit the conquered people. Dead people don't pay taxes.

If you would be satisfied to have what the Ottomans allowed to us, or what the Turks allow for their own minorities today, please let me know. Somehow I doubt, because while you think we should be grateful for the peanuts you allowed us to have, for yourselves you demand way way more than any other minority in any other country gets. The double standards couldn't be any more obvious.

You know what is double standards,Piratis???
You have a lot of compassion and sympathy for the Cypriot people in 1571...you can feel their pain under foreign occupation...But you have NO compassion and sympathy for the TCs in 1950s for resisting being put under foreign occupation as a result of your ENOSIS dream...That is what I call double standards...with capital D and capital S...

[Me Ed]

I think you guys should stop living in the past and face the realities of today.

[BirKibrisli]

I think you guys should stop living in the past and face the realities of today.

We are not living in the past,Me Ed,the past is living in us...We cannot escape it...We need to confront it sensibly,bravely,decisively before we can face the realities of today...I wish you people could see that.

[repulsewarrior]

...read my manifesto.

[Piratis]

But you are wrong, and we are not going to be seen as conquerors but as liberators. The Jews are only seen as conquerors of the additional territory they took with the war of 1967, not the Israel state established in 1948.

You have truly lost the plot,Piratis.
What Afro was saying is that the Turks will see you as conquerors,not liberators...Hence they will wait for the balance of power to change again to 'liberate' what you have 'conquered' from them...And it will go on ad infinitum...

What the Turks think is not important as long as the rest of the world recognizes the fact that we are liberation our own lands. If the world would recognize the "trnc" would the TCs care about what we think? I really don't think so.

Regarding the "ad infinitum" I already gave an answer. The only way to brake this "circle of blood", is for the Turks, who were the ones who attacked us first, to end the problem they created, by accepting that Cyprus doesn't belong to them, but belongs to the Cypriot people who should be free to do with their own island what they want.

If you are not willing to end the conflict by letting Cyprus free, then don't hope that the conflict will end by us surrendering our lands to you. Better for the conflict to continue ad infinitum rather than you having a final victory over us.

That's what I thought...What Turks think doesn't matter to you...Like what the TCs thought of your ENOSIS dream did not matter in the 50s...All because in your mind Cyprus is a Greek island,and he Ottomans had no business conquering it in 1571...I got it ,Piratis,loud and clear...Good luck with your endless attempts to turn history back,and turn Cyprus into a Hellenic island,just like it was pre 1571...

But hang on,Cyprus was not a Hellenic island before 1571!!! I am now really confused!

Cyprus is and it will continue to be a Greek island. You are not going to tell us who we are and what our own island is.

2/3rd of our island are now free from the foreign invaders, and the remaining will be free sooner or later as well, either you like it or not.

[Piratis]

You know what is double standards,Piratis???
You have a lot of compassion and sympathy for the Cypriot people in 1571...you can feel their pain under foreign occupation...But you have NO compassion and sympathy for the TCs in 1950s for resisting being put under foreign occupation as a result of your ENOSIS dream...That is what I call double standards...with capital D and capital S...

What a load of bullshit. Foreign occupation was the occupation of the Turks of the Greek territories (including Cyprus). If Turks didn't want to live on foreign territories then they should have stayed in their own homeland and not invade ours. It was the choice of Turks to invade and occupy our lands and it is nothing less than our RIGHT to liberate ourselves from the Turkish occupation.

And no, it doesn't mean that every Greek island and town with a Muslim minority should be a separate country just because the Muslims don't want to live in a united Greek state. The Greeks and most other minorities of Asia Minor don't want to live in a Turkish state either. Does that mean that Turkey should be split into 1000s of little statelets to satisfy each minority? Or is this yet another of your DOUBLE STANDARDS which you want to apply one set of rules for the Turks and another for the Greeks?

[runaway]

But you are wrong, and we are not going to be seen as conquerors but as liberators. The Jews are only seen as conquerors of the additional territory they took with the war of 1967, not the Israel state established in 1948.

You have truly lost the plot,Piratis.
What Afro was saying is that the Turks will see you as conquerors,not liberators...Hence they will wait for the balance of power to change again to 'liberate' what you have 'conquered' from them...And it will go on ad infinitum...

What the Turks think is not important as long as the rest of the world recognizes the fact that we are liberation our own lands. If the world would recognize the "trnc" would the TCs care about what we think? I really don't think so.

Regarding the "ad infinitum" I already gave an answer. The only way to brake this "circle of blood", is for the Turks, who were the ones who attacked us first, to end the problem they created, by accepting that Cyprus doesn't belong to them, but belongs to the Cypriot people who should be free to do with their own island what they want.

If you are not willing to end the conflict by letting Cyprus free, then don't hope that the conflict will end by us surrendering our lands to you. Better for the conflict to continue ad infinitum rather than you having a final victory over us.

That's what I thought...What Turks think doesn't matter to you...Like what the TCs thought of your ENOSIS dream did not matter in the 50s...All because in your mind Cyprus is a Greek island,and he Ottomans had no business conquering it in 1571...I got it ,Piratis,loud and clear...Good luck with your endless attempts to turn history back,and turn Cyprus into a Hellenic island,just like it was pre 1571...

But hang on,Cyprus was not a Hellenic island before 1571!!! I am now really confused!

Cyprus is and it will continue to be a Greek island. You are not going to tell us who we are and what our own island is.

2/3rd of our island are now free from the foreign invaders, and the remaining will be free sooner or later as well, either you like it or not.

How????? Will hellass or south shitrus attack us?

[kurupetos]

But you are wrong, and we are not going to be seen as conquerors but as liberators. The Jews are only seen as conquerors of the additional territory they took with the war of 1967, not the Israel state established in 1948.

You have truly lost the plot,Piratis.
What Afro was saying is that the Turks will see you as conquerors,not liberators...Hence they will wait for the balance of power to change again to 'liberate' what you have 'conquered' from them...And it will go on ad infinitum...

What the Turks think is not important as long as the rest of the world recognizes the fact that we are liberation our own lands. If the world would recognize the "trnc" would the TCs care about what we think? I really don't think so.

Regarding the "ad infinitum" I already gave an answer. The only way to brake this "circle of blood", is for the Turks, who were the ones who attacked us first, to end the problem they created, by accepting that Cyprus doesn't belong to them, but belongs to the Cypriot people who should be free to do with their own island what they want.

If you are not willing to end the conflict by letting Cyprus free, then don't hope that the conflict will end by us surrendering our lands to you. Better for the conflict to continue ad infinitum rather than you having a final victory over us.

That's what I thought...What Turks think doesn't matter to you...Like what the TCs thought of your ENOSIS dream did not matter in the 50s...All because in your mind Cyprus is a Greek island,and he Ottomans had no business conquering it in 1571...I got it ,Piratis,loud and clear...Good luck with your endless attempts to turn history back,and turn Cyprus into a Hellenic island,just like it was pre 1571...

But hang on,Cyprus was not a Hellenic island before 1571!!! I am now really confused!

Cyprus is and it will continue to be a Greek island. You are not going to tell us who we are and what our own island is.

2/3rd of our island are now free from the foreign invaders, and the remaining will be free sooner or later as well, either you like it or not.

How????? Will hellass or south shitrus attack us?

That's the kind of responses we expect from Turks, so that when the time comes we'll show no remorse for eliminating Turks.

[Afroasiatis]

Will be for centuries or more. Greeks do not forget their roots. There are staples such as Cyprus, Athens, Sparta and these will be fought for regardless of the Turks' wishes for us to forget. As we discussed with Bir, Greece was 400 years under Ottoman rule and yet it was finally liberated.

Well, I don't think so. In many parts of Greece the Greeks were still a majority anyway, so it's not really comparable. If time period of absence from a territoty doesn't matter, why don't Greeks try to liberate Marseille? Why North Cyprus and not Southern Italy?

.. the Western allies are preparing for forceful removal of Turkish troops.

Where do you see this?

This is a good example of why Hellenism is viewed as the foundation of western civilisation. There are many such examples where cities where founded by Greeks but no claim is made upon them. The Turks are definitely a different kettle of fish, however.

Well, that's a completely different subject, but very interesting. I personally don't think the idea of Hellenism as founder of western civilisation is accurate (the real starting point was from the peoples inhabiting the fertile crescent, where the neolithic revolution begun), but for sure, the ancient greek civilisation contributed greatly not only to the western, but also to the arabic-islamic, to the eastern-orthodox, and perhaps partly even to more distant civilizations, like indian or chinese.

But I wouldn't agree that Turks are definitely something different from Greeks. A lot of Turks or TCs are e.g. descendants of greek-speaking people who converted to Islam, and similarly many Greeks are descendants of peoples of Anatolia who adopted the greek language or Orthodoxy. A Kyrgyz friend of me once said that he had the impression that Greeks and Turks used to be once one people, who were then gradually separated into two nations. That's not very correct, but it has elements of truth in it. Being Greek means being also a bit turkish, and vice versa.

I am pleased you acknowledge Turkey's intent is clear Colonialism. Something we must resist and fight against. Settlers must be made to understand they are pawns and should return voluntarily if they desire security.

I wouldn't use the word "colonialism" to describe this. Colonialism was a specific historical phenomenon, with different intentions and methods. Not necessarily better or worst, but different.
As for settlers, it makes of course a difference if they came recently in Cyprus, or if they were born here or live for many decades on the island. If there is a solution soon, not all of them will stay.

(Pity, then, that you are so fickle that once the Turks change all the village names in the occupied area, that you would then view it as Turkish.)

When did I say anything like that? I don't think I even referred to changing of names.