Piratis wrote:You don't see it as a compromise, because you continue to think the GCs and TCs as single bodies, and not each one as a individual. For the particular people concerned, it's a compromise to accept getting out of their home for the third time, for others to come back who only needed to get out once.
It doesn't matter how they see it, but how it is. It is
not "their home". If it was "their home" then they wouldn't have to move out. Those who will have to move out are those who occupy properties that do not belong to them.
How's this relevant to what I'm saying? Don't you think it's hard for someone to leave the only home that he may have, no matter what the legal situation is?
Not exactly. Through a solution many TCs will lose what is legally theirs in the South Cyprus.
But I repeat, the legality isn't the important point here.
They are going to lose what is legally theirs in the south in order to gain twice as much in the north. We are not the ones who asked for such thing. They asked for this because it suits them.
So, you claim that the average TC will have double as much property as an average GC after a solution. How do you arrive to this conclusion?
The important is to find a solution that will make lifes better for as much Cypriots as possible.
Really? Then why don't we have a referendum with all solutions as options and let the Cypriots, one person one vote, decide what is best for them?
Unfortunately the Turks are occupying our lands keeping them as hostage trying in this way to blackmail us and force us to accept a "solution" that will be better for their small minority and the foreign imperialists that support them, and
NOT for as many Cypriots as possible.
Do you honestly believe that such a referendum "one person one vote" is possible under the present circumstances?
And how on earth do you expect Turkey or foreign imperialists to be so interested on the well-being of Cypriots?
The question is what we Cypriots do, based on to the present circumstances.
Bonds between individuals will always exist. I have friends from all over the world and we live in totally separate countries. A divisive and racist "solution" not only will not help the bonds with TCs to increase, but on the contrary it will cause more problems, just like it happened in the 60s.
The bonds between GCs and TCs aren't simply bonds like the ones that you can have with people from totally different countries, but are based also on common culture, history, origins etc.
The status quo is as divisive as it can get, and with a solution there will be a situation that is more unifying. So, leaving the hope alive that this separation can be overcomed at one point. If the situation doesn't change, there is no such hope, not in the near future at least.
But you are wrong, and we are not going to be seen as conquerors but as liberators. The Jews are only seen as conquerors of the additional territory they took with the war of 1967, not the Israel state established in 1948.
So, you think when Israelis conquered Palestine in 48 they were seen as.. liberators? Just because the UN accepted this, due to the interests of the countries from which they coonsisted at the time? And what's so different in West Bank that made it a conquest rather than a liberation, didn't any Jews live there 2000 years ago?
So you suggest to end the confrontation by accepting that the Turks will have a final victory over us? No thanks.
No, I suggest to end the confrontation by stop thinking in terms of Turks against Greeks.
I never said that there are no other factors. But the most important factor is the gains that TCs are promised on our expense. This is what remains unchanged from the 50s until today.
Well, I disagree. As I said, the most important factor is nationalism becoming dominant in both sides.
If the foreign imperialists didn't want to divide Cyprus, and they didn't use the TCs as their pawns by promising to them gains on our expense, then none of the other things would make a difference. Take Rhodes for example which united with the rest of Greece in 1948 and which also has a Turkish minority. Not a single nose broke over this.
Obviously, nationalism doesn't necessarily mean that you 're going to have a conflict wherever there are people of different ethnic identity. It just makes it very possible. There were several wars between Greeks and Turks outside Cyprus and even a whole population exchange, between Greeks and Bulgarians, Serbs and Albanians, peoples of Yugoslavia. It's not something unique in Cyprus, but a part of a general trend.
If GCs and TCs didn't see themselves as groups ready to fight each other for the sake of their national interests, the foreign imperialists wouldn't be able to use this element for serving their own plans.
The capitalism system is not an obstacle for a just coexistence of different ethnic groups. The Cyprus Problem is not about injustices between different classes, but one of foreign invasion and conflict between ethnic groups.
The kind of solution you suggest doesn't make life better for most of us, it makes it worst (which is why we rejected it). Not only that, but such racist and divisive "solutions" can only lead to more problems in the long term, and not anything better.
What capitalist system excludes is problems being solved based solely on justice. This applies to everything.
I believe that a re-unification even in the form of BBF, i. e. a partial one, will make the life better for the majority of Cypriots than today's division. Of course, it needs to be well-thought, in order to make that sure. I personally have my doubts that the ways they are trying to build this solution today are the correct ones, but that's another subject.
