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[Piratis]

The selective look at history comes only from you mate. You forget that the inter-communal conflict was started from you when you collaborated with foreign imperialists and you attacked us in the 50s. Our enemy was the Colonialists, not your minority. You became the enemy only when you attacked us.

And no, the racist system you forced on Cyprus in 1960 so you can have Ottoman style privileges on our expense was not a good environment to build trust and friendship either.

This is exactly what I am saying Bir. For as long as you are trying to oppress us and violate our rights we will fight back and there will be a Cyprus Problem. After 4+ centuries of oppressing us you haven't yet realized that we will never accept to be your slaves?

Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people. What makes you think that Cyprus can be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but can not be part of a Greek state if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves want? And still we agreed to compromise and accept that Cyprus will not be part of the Greek state, but independent instead. But instead of real independence what was forced on us in 1960 was some racist undemocratic constitution, with foreign bases and foreign armies which was making Cyprus some banana republic of the British and the Turks.

And you avoided answering the question: Is there any difference for TCs between being an ethnic minority in a Greek state (with Cyprus part of this Greek state) and being an ethnic minority within an independent Cypriot state? History proves beyond any doubt that for TCs there is no difference whatsoever. Enosis is an excuse that expired decades ago so stop hiding behind enosis to excuse your racist demands that are the same from 1571 until 2010: To have the Greek Cypriots as second category people so you can undemocratically control Cyprus and enjoy privileges on our expense.

You obviously believe that repeating the Official GC propaganda lines endlessly you will find someone to believe you...Unfortunately for you the international powers that be know exactly what happened in Cyprus...They will not say so openly ,but they know the desperate situation the TCs were in before 1974...That is why you are getting no help from anyone,including your beloved Greece for whom you wanted to sell your soul...Thanks to the brave stand of the TCs you now have your own independent country,and you are so ungrateful you will not even acknowledge the TC contribution to the independence of Cyprus...You need to have a very good look at yourself and do some soul searching ,mate...Nothing else will get you out of the mess you are in...

It is exactly because the world knows what happened that the pseudo state your are trying to create on the land you stole from us remains unrecognized.

Even your parters in crime, the British and the Americans, and even other Turkic countries, they can not afford to openly support such an obvious crime against Cyprus.

What "TC contribution to the independence" are you talking about? Are you kidding me? The TCs were very happy with both the Ottoman rule and the British rule. They never said anything about independence. The first to propose independence was Makarios, but you collaborated with the foreign Imperialists so Cyprus would not be given a true independence, but instead be made some Banana Republic with foreign troops, foreign bases and foreign control.

You missed the whole point,Piratis...

If it wasn't for the TC community standing firm against Enosis with Greece,you'd never have an independent RoC now...You'd be a province of Greece,most probably looked down upon and patronised! Where is your appreciation of that fact???

If it wasn't for the Turks and the British (the TCs were just their pawns) Cyprus would have been part of the Greek state along with all other Greek islands, united without refugees and the problems that you created to our island. It would be 1000 times better if Cyprus was in the same position as Crete or Rhodes. So stop acting as if you did to us a favor, because what you really did was to help the foreign imperialists to screw up our island.

Unfortunately Cyprus is too small and in a very important location to be allowed to be truly independent. If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice. But since this is not possible, we would rather be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of Turkey. This is why we joined the EU also. Better to be under the control of a union that respects certain principles, rather than be ruled by Turks.

Okey...You have just admitted that your Enosis dream is still alive and kicking in your heart and mind...You'd still go for union with Greece if you had the opportunity...So nothing has changed in the GC mentality you represent since the 40s...And you wonder why I keep telling you I now believe Viewpoint is spot on...The TC community still need protection from incurable Enosis fanatics like yourself...Thank you for confirming it once and for all...With so much bitterness and hate in your heart,and with the whole RoC state apparatus behind you,you can indeed be very dangerous for the physical safety of the TCs and the Turks of Cyprus (aka settlers)...If I was Viewpoint I'd ask for another 40,000 Turkish troops,just to be sure!!!

Unfortunately you missed the important part in what I wrote: "If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice."

Did you ever allow Cyprus to be truly independent? No you didn't. So you can shove the pseudo Independence (which in reality means Cyprus being a Banana Republic of Turkey) up your ass.

We would either be truly independent, which means democratically ruling our own island, without any foreigner imposing on us what we should do, and failing that we would rather unite with other civilized people and be in the same country/union with them, rather than being ruled by Turks.

Today Cyprus is already united with the rest of Greece and 25 more countries through EU. Your army and threats didn't manage to stop us this time.

The "protection" you need from Turkey is not a protection of your lives or your human or other rights, because nobody questioned those rights of yours. What you want the Turkish army to protect is your Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people. This is why you demand derogations from the EU acquis and you put a ton of racist terms.

[BirKibrisli]

The selective look at history comes only from you mate. You forget that the inter-communal conflict was started from you when you collaborated with foreign imperialists and you attacked us in the 50s. Our enemy was the Colonialists, not your minority. You became the enemy only when you attacked us.

And no, the racist system you forced on Cyprus in 1960 so you can have Ottoman style privileges on our expense was not a good environment to build trust and friendship either.

This is exactly what I am saying Bir. For as long as you are trying to oppress us and violate our rights we will fight back and there will be a Cyprus Problem. After 4+ centuries of oppressing us you haven't yet realized that we will never accept to be your slaves?

Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people. What makes you think that Cyprus can be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but can not be part of a Greek state if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves want? And still we agreed to compromise and accept that Cyprus will not be part of the Greek state, but independent instead. But instead of real independence what was forced on us in 1960 was some racist undemocratic constitution, with foreign bases and foreign armies which was making Cyprus some banana republic of the British and the Turks.

And you avoided answering the question: Is there any difference for TCs between being an ethnic minority in a Greek state (with Cyprus part of this Greek state) and being an ethnic minority within an independent Cypriot state? History proves beyond any doubt that for TCs there is no difference whatsoever. Enosis is an excuse that expired decades ago so stop hiding behind enosis to excuse your racist demands that are the same from 1571 until 2010: To have the Greek Cypriots as second category people so you can undemocratically control Cyprus and enjoy privileges on our expense.

You obviously believe that repeating the Official GC propaganda lines endlessly you will find someone to believe you...Unfortunately for you the international powers that be know exactly what happened in Cyprus...They will not say so openly ,but they know the desperate situation the TCs were in before 1974...That is why you are getting no help from anyone,including your beloved Greece for whom you wanted to sell your soul...Thanks to the brave stand of the TCs you now have your own independent country,and you are so ungrateful you will not even acknowledge the TC contribution to the independence of Cyprus...You need to have a very good look at yourself and do some soul searching ,mate...Nothing else will get you out of the mess you are in...

It is exactly because the world knows what happened that the pseudo state your are trying to create on the land you stole from us remains unrecognized.

Even your parters in crime, the British and the Americans, and even other Turkic countries, they can not afford to openly support such an obvious crime against Cyprus.

What "TC contribution to the independence" are you talking about? Are you kidding me? The TCs were very happy with both the Ottoman rule and the British rule. They never said anything about independence. The first to propose independence was Makarios, but you collaborated with the foreign Imperialists so Cyprus would not be given a true independence, but instead be made some Banana Republic with foreign troops, foreign bases and foreign control.

You missed the whole point,Piratis...

If it wasn't for the TC community standing firm against Enosis with Greece,you'd never have an independent RoC now...You'd be a province of Greece,most probably looked down upon and patronised! Where is your appreciation of that fact???

If it wasn't for the Turks and the British (the TCs were just their pawns) Cyprus would have been part of the Greek state along with all other Greek islands, united without refugees and the problems that you created to our island. It would be 1000 times better if Cyprus was in the same position as Crete or Rhodes. So stop acting as if you did to us a favor, because what you really did was to help the foreign imperialists to screw up our island.

Unfortunately Cyprus is too small and in a very important location to be allowed to be truly independent. If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice. But since this is not possible, we would rather be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of Turkey. This is why we joined the EU also. Better to be under the control of a union that respects certain principles, rather than be ruled by Turks.

Okey...You have just admitted that your Enosis dream is still alive and kicking in your heart and mind...You'd still go for union with Greece if you had the opportunity...So nothing has changed in the GC mentality you represent since the 40s...And you wonder why I keep telling you I now believe Viewpoint is spot on...The TC community still need protection from incurable Enosis fanatics like yourself...Thank you for confirming it once and for all...With so much bitterness and hate in your heart,and with the whole RoC state apparatus behind you,you can indeed be very dangerous for the physical safety of the TCs and the Turks of Cyprus (aka settlers)...If I was Viewpoint I'd ask for another 40,000 Turkish troops,just to be sure!!!

Unfortunately you missed the important part in what I wrote: "If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice."

Did you ever allow Cyprus to be truly independent? No you didn't. So you can shove the pseudo Independence (which in reality means Cyprus being a Banana Republic of Turkey) up your ass.

We would either be truly independent, which means democratically ruling our own island, without any foreigner imposing on us what we should do, and failing that we would rather unite with other civilized people and be in the same country/union with them, rather than being ruled by Turks.

Today Cyprus is already united with the rest of Greece and 25 more countries through EU. Your army and threats didn't manage to stop us this time.

The "protection" you need from Turkey is not a protection of your lives or your human or other rights, because nobody questioned those rights of yours. What you want the Turkish army to protect is your Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people. This is why you demand derogations from the EU acquis and you put a ton of racist terms.

You are an incorrigible GC state popaganda machine,Piratis...
So if you've achieved your Enosis dream with Greece,we can get on with achieving our Taksim dream...It is only fair,is it not???...See you when "the balance of power changes"and you try to achieve your 'liberation' of the North...Make sure you and GR agree on a number or casualties you think it might be worth sacrificing to attempt your 'liberation' struggle...Or else you might not know when and where to stop...

[EPSILON]

The selective look at history comes only from you mate. You forget that the inter-communal conflict was started from you when you collaborated with foreign imperialists and you attacked us in the 50s. Our enemy was the Colonialists, not your minority. You became the enemy only when you attacked us.

And no, the racist system you forced on Cyprus in 1960 so you can have Ottoman style privileges on our expense was not a good environment to build trust and friendship either.

This is exactly what I am saying Bir. For as long as you are trying to oppress us and violate our rights we will fight back and there will be a Cyprus Problem. After 4+ centuries of oppressing us you haven't yet realized that we will never accept to be your slaves?

Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people. What makes you think that Cyprus can be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but can not be part of a Greek state if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves want? And still we agreed to compromise and accept that Cyprus will not be part of the Greek state, but independent instead. But instead of real independence what was forced on us in 1960 was some racist undemocratic constitution, with foreign bases and foreign armies which was making Cyprus some banana republic of the British and the Turks.

And you avoided answering the question: Is there any difference for TCs between being an ethnic minority in a Greek state (with Cyprus part of this Greek state) and being an ethnic minority within an independent Cypriot state? History proves beyond any doubt that for TCs there is no difference whatsoever. Enosis is an excuse that expired decades ago so stop hiding behind enosis to excuse your racist demands that are the same from 1571 until 2010: To have the Greek Cypriots as second category people so you can undemocratically control Cyprus and enjoy privileges on our expense.

You obviously believe that repeating the Official GC propaganda lines endlessly you will find someone to believe you...Unfortunately for you the international powers that be know exactly what happened in Cyprus...They will not say so openly ,but they know the desperate situation the TCs were in before 1974...That is why you are getting no help from anyone,including your beloved Greece for whom you wanted to sell your soul...Thanks to the brave stand of the TCs you now have your own independent country,and you are so ungrateful you will not even acknowledge the TC contribution to the independence of Cyprus...You need to have a very good look at yourself and do some soul searching ,mate...Nothing else will get you out of the mess you are in...

Very good post. I think is time G/cs to pay for a big statum of Attaturk in "Demokratias square".

In Instanbul we have abot 2000Greeks in total 15million population -can then we sign an agreement that 1 Greekvote in Istanbul will count to 7500 Turkish votes? These 2000Greks are the remains of an other empire like Ottomans were in Cyprus, why they can not request the same rights like T/cs do.?

Secondly and most important -T/cs became in the position they were before 1974 for the simple reason they were cooperating with the occupation force (UK). As policemen of this regime were trying to support the occupator (as they are doing today).

[BirKibrisli]

The selective look at history comes only from you mate. You forget that the inter-communal conflict was started from you when you collaborated with foreign imperialists and you attacked us in the 50s. Our enemy was the Colonialists, not your minority. You became the enemy only when you attacked us.

And no, the racist system you forced on Cyprus in 1960 so you can have Ottoman style privileges on our expense was not a good environment to build trust and friendship either.

This is exactly what I am saying Bir. For as long as you are trying to oppress us and violate our rights we will fight back and there will be a Cyprus Problem. After 4+ centuries of oppressing us you haven't yet realized that we will never accept to be your slaves?

Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people. What makes you think that Cyprus can be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but can not be part of a Greek state if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves want? And still we agreed to compromise and accept that Cyprus will not be part of the Greek state, but independent instead. But instead of real independence what was forced on us in 1960 was some racist undemocratic constitution, with foreign bases and foreign armies which was making Cyprus some banana republic of the British and the Turks.

And you avoided answering the question: Is there any difference for TCs between being an ethnic minority in a Greek state (with Cyprus part of this Greek state) and being an ethnic minority within an independent Cypriot state? History proves beyond any doubt that for TCs there is no difference whatsoever. Enosis is an excuse that expired decades ago so stop hiding behind enosis to excuse your racist demands that are the same from 1571 until 2010: To have the Greek Cypriots as second category people so you can undemocratically control Cyprus and enjoy privileges on our expense.

You obviously believe that repeating the Official GC propaganda lines endlessly you will find someone to believe you...Unfortunately for you the international powers that be know exactly what happened in Cyprus...They will not say so openly ,but they know the desperate situation the TCs were in before 1974...That is why you are getting no help from anyone,including your beloved Greece for whom you wanted to sell your soul...Thanks to the brave stand of the TCs you now have your own independent country,and you are so ungrateful you will not even acknowledge the TC contribution to the independence of Cyprus...You need to have a very good look at yourself and do some soul searching ,mate...Nothing else will get you out of the mess you are in...

Very good post. I think is time G/cs to pay for a big statum of Attaturk in "Demokratias square".

In Instanbul we have abot 2000Greeks in total 15million population -can then we sign an agreement that 1 Greekvote in Istanbul will count to 7500 Turkish votes? These 2000Greks are the remains of an other empire like Ottomans were in Cyprus, why they can not request the same rights like T/cs do.?

Secondly and most important -T/cs became in the position they were before 1974 for the simple reason they were cooperating with the occupation force (UK). As policemen of this regime were trying to support the occupator (as they are doing today).

History is not your strong point,is it Epsilon???

The Greek population in Turkey and the Turkish population in Greece were exchanged back in the early 20s,under an international agreement...Both sides agreed to give up their demands for special privileges...No such agreement or exchange occured in Cyprus at any time in its history...The TCs have never given up their rights to self-determination...In fact they only insisted upon it when the GCs demanded to join Greece...You can't compare the two situations...

[Piratis]

The selective look at history comes only from you mate. You forget that the inter-communal conflict was started from you when you collaborated with foreign imperialists and you attacked us in the 50s. Our enemy was the Colonialists, not your minority. You became the enemy only when you attacked us.

And no, the racist system you forced on Cyprus in 1960 so you can have Ottoman style privileges on our expense was not a good environment to build trust and friendship either.

This is exactly what I am saying Bir. For as long as you are trying to oppress us and violate our rights we will fight back and there will be a Cyprus Problem. After 4+ centuries of oppressing us you haven't yet realized that we will never accept to be your slaves?

Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people. What makes you think that Cyprus can be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but can not be part of a Greek state if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves want? And still we agreed to compromise and accept that Cyprus will not be part of the Greek state, but independent instead. But instead of real independence what was forced on us in 1960 was some racist undemocratic constitution, with foreign bases and foreign armies which was making Cyprus some banana republic of the British and the Turks.

And you avoided answering the question: Is there any difference for TCs between being an ethnic minority in a Greek state (with Cyprus part of this Greek state) and being an ethnic minority within an independent Cypriot state? History proves beyond any doubt that for TCs there is no difference whatsoever. Enosis is an excuse that expired decades ago so stop hiding behind enosis to excuse your racist demands that are the same from 1571 until 2010: To have the Greek Cypriots as second category people so you can undemocratically control Cyprus and enjoy privileges on our expense.

You obviously believe that repeating the Official GC propaganda lines endlessly you will find someone to believe you...Unfortunately for you the international powers that be know exactly what happened in Cyprus...They will not say so openly ,but they know the desperate situation the TCs were in before 1974...That is why you are getting no help from anyone,including your beloved Greece for whom you wanted to sell your soul...Thanks to the brave stand of the TCs you now have your own independent country,and you are so ungrateful you will not even acknowledge the TC contribution to the independence of Cyprus...You need to have a very good look at yourself and do some soul searching ,mate...Nothing else will get you out of the mess you are in...

It is exactly because the world knows what happened that the pseudo state your are trying to create on the land you stole from us remains unrecognized.

Even your parters in crime, the British and the Americans, and even other Turkic countries, they can not afford to openly support such an obvious crime against Cyprus.

What "TC contribution to the independence" are you talking about? Are you kidding me? The TCs were very happy with both the Ottoman rule and the British rule. They never said anything about independence. The first to propose independence was Makarios, but you collaborated with the foreign Imperialists so Cyprus would not be given a true independence, but instead be made some Banana Republic with foreign troops, foreign bases and foreign control.

You missed the whole point,Piratis...

If it wasn't for the TC community standing firm against Enosis with Greece,you'd never have an independent RoC now...You'd be a province of Greece,most probably looked down upon and patronised! Where is your appreciation of that fact???

If it wasn't for the Turks and the British (the TCs were just their pawns) Cyprus would have been part of the Greek state along with all other Greek islands, united without refugees and the problems that you created to our island. It would be 1000 times better if Cyprus was in the same position as Crete or Rhodes. So stop acting as if you did to us a favor, because what you really did was to help the foreign imperialists to screw up our island.

Unfortunately Cyprus is too small and in a very important location to be allowed to be truly independent. If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice. But since this is not possible, we would rather be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of Turkey. This is why we joined the EU also. Better to be under the control of a union that respects certain principles, rather than be ruled by Turks.

Okey...You have just admitted that your Enosis dream is still alive and kicking in your heart and mind...You'd still go for union with Greece if you had the opportunity...So nothing has changed in the GC mentality you represent since the 40s...And you wonder why I keep telling you I now believe Viewpoint is spot on...The TC community still need protection from incurable Enosis fanatics like yourself...Thank you for confirming it once and for all...With so much bitterness and hate in your heart,and with the whole RoC state apparatus behind you,you can indeed be very dangerous for the physical safety of the TCs and the Turks of Cyprus (aka settlers)...If I was Viewpoint I'd ask for another 40,000 Turkish troops,just to be sure!!!

Unfortunately you missed the important part in what I wrote: "If we believed that we could be truly independent then it would have been our first choice."

Did you ever allow Cyprus to be truly independent? No you didn't. So you can shove the pseudo Independence (which in reality means Cyprus being a Banana Republic of Turkey) up your ass.

We would either be truly independent, which means democratically ruling our own island, without any foreigner imposing on us what we should do, and failing that we would rather unite with other civilized people and be in the same country/union with them, rather than being ruled by Turks.

Today Cyprus is already united with the rest of Greece and 25 more countries through EU. Your army and threats didn't manage to stop us this time.

The "protection" you need from Turkey is not a protection of your lives or your human or other rights, because nobody questioned those rights of yours. What you want the Turkish army to protect is your Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot people. This is why you demand derogations from the EU acquis and you put a ton of racist terms.

You are an incorrigible GC state popaganda machine,Piratis...
So if you've achieved your Enosis dream with Greece,we can get on with achieving our Taksim dream...It is only fair,is it not???...See you when "the balance of power changes"and you try to achieve your 'liberation' of the North...Make sure you and GR agree on a number or casualties you think it might be worth sacrificing to attempt your 'liberation' struggle...Or else you might not know when and where to stop...

Are you seriously equating Cyprus' 100% legitimate union with EU with the criminal and illegal occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus by the Turks? As always, to our fully legitimate desires for our own island you respond with crimes and blackmails.

We will stop fighting for our freedom when Cyprus is fully liberated. How many casualties that will take is up to you, not up to us. You can stop your crimes and the illegal occupation of our land now, and Cyprus can be liberated without a single casualty. If anybody dies that would be 100% your fault as you are the ones who are illegally occupying Cyprus.

[Piratis]

The TCs have never given up their rights to self-determination

What does our lands have to do with your "self-determination"?

Furthermore, if you have a separate self-determination from the rest of the Cypriot people that means you are not Cypriot yourselves, but you remain as foreign to Cyprus as the Turks have been the first day they invaded our island.

[BirKibrisli]

The TCs have never given up their rights to self-determination

What does our lands have to do with your "self-determination"?

Furthermore, if you have a separate self-determination from the rest of the Cypriot people that means you are not Cypriot yourselves, but you remain as foreign to Cyprus as the Turks have been the first day they invaded our island.

The moment you chose Enosis with Greece over independance you gave the TCs the right to their own self-determination...You only got yourselves to blame...Get that in your head,Piratis...Demand for Enosis came first,and everything else followed,like night follows day...And no amount of senseless propaganda and disinformation on your part can change that...Time to be a man and own up...Then we can kiss and make up...don't worry,it won't hurt one bit...

[Get Real!]

The moment you chose Enosis with Greece over independance you gave the TCs the right to their own self-determination...

The right of self-determination is that of countries or “peoples” as the UN refers to them…

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/f3c9 ... endocument

…but when it comes to the rights of ethnic groups such as the “Turkish Cypriots” then the appropriate charter is that of the…

”Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities”

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/minorities.htm

[Piratis]

The TCs have never given up their rights to self-determination

What does our lands have to do with your "self-determination"?

Furthermore, if you have a separate self-determination from the rest of the Cypriot people that means you are not Cypriot yourselves, but you remain as foreign to Cyprus as the Turks have been the first day they invaded our island.

The moment you chose Enosis with Greece over independance you gave the TCs the right to their own self-determination...You only got yourselves to blame...Get that in your head,Piratis...Demand for Enosis came first,and everything else followed,like night follows day...And no amount of senseless propaganda and disinformation on your part can change that...Time to be a man and own up...Then we can kiss and make up...don't worry,it won't hurt one bit...

What came first was the Oppression of the Turks against the Cypriot people. No Turkish occupation and oppression = no Turks in Cyprus = No Problems for Cyprus.

We, the people who you have been oppressing for centuries, have every right for our self-determination and freedom, and we can express this self-determination in all legitimate ways, one of which is to unite our own territory with another state.

This is why the UN resolution for decolonization defined "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Integration into an independent State was just as legitimate as independence and the choice between the 2 should have been up to the Cypriot people to democratically choose.

Do you really think that a small minority of imported settlers, created during the rule of a foreign empire over a territory, can impose on the territory which of the legitimate options of decolonization it should choose?

The whole point of decolonization was that people like us, would be free from empires such as yours. The minorities created by the former ruler would be free to stay on the territory, but they wouldn't be able to impose their will anymore. That is the WHOLE point of decolonization.

What your minority did was to help the Colonialists to keep Cyprus under their rule, instead of giving to Cyprus its freedom. The so called "independence" that you forced on us, was nothing more than a continuation of Colonial rule over our island, with foreign armies, foreign bases, so called "guarantors", foreign judges of the supreme court etc etc.

In a nutshell, the foreign Imperialists (British and Turks) wanted to keep control of Cyprus, an essentially Greek island, and in order to do so they used the Muslim minority in Cyprus as the means and the excuse to deny to Cypriots their freedom and keep Cyprus under their control.

[Piratis]

And Bir, you still didn't answer to me: Even if we assumed that TCs have a separate "self-determination", how does our lands fall under your self-determination?

Take Kerynia for example, with population of 80% GCs and other Cypriots and 20% TCs. If you have separate self-determination from the rest of Cypriots, then under whose self-determination should the city be, yours or ours? The answer is obvious. And then there are also villages that the population are 100% Greek. Those villages fall under your separate "self-determination" as well?

Self-determination is about determining your own self and what belongs to yourself. What you did has nothing to do with any "self-determination", and everything to do with STEALING from us our lands.

The only way you could have separate "self-determination" is over those isolated villages where the TCs were the majority. If you want that, no problem at all from me. Do you agree, or are you going to admit that you are a criminal thief giving lame excuses?