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[Viewpoint]

How do you negotiate with GCs on this forum the majority of which are extremists.

you are a total moron.....if you act like a minority you will be treated as one.....homey

Thank you for proving my point once again.

[Afroasiatis]

Muslims of Western Thrace may have not suffered the same pressure as the Greeks of Istanbul or Imvros, but their situation was far from being perfect. As a result of pressure, their numbers as percentage of the population of Western Thrace decreased. They faced discrimination in the form of e.g. the laws regarding loss of citizenship, or their rights on property. They were also generally excluded from power and important positions. I believe, not even in Rodopi, with its muslim majority, was there ever a Muslim Nomarchis (if somebody knows better, please correct me).

A different situation was that of the Muslims of Dodekanese, who (not being covered by the Lausanne Treaty) after some point, I think they also lost the right of autonomy in educational issues.

They number about 120,000 out of a population of 375,000 in western thrace.When ypu say excluded from power what do you mean?33% minority to rule a 66% majority?Sorry western thrace is not cyprus.Concerning komotini with the large population of muslims do you know how much they got in the most recent election?7% of the vote ,do you know why?because of there pro turkish rhetoric that didn't go well with the muslims of komotini who many are not turkish but pomak.

I think turkish politics and pro-turkish rhetoric isn't really relevant to this question.

To if they were excluded from power: let's assume that their number was always 33% (which was not). Were a third of all nomarches in Western Thrace since 1923 Muslim? In Rodopi, where they are in the majority, was also the majority of nomarches Muslim? Was their representation in public service similar to their percentage in the population?

Let's assume that overall in Greece Muslims always had a percentage of 1%. How many greek ministers have been Muslim (and there were sure more than 100 ministers since 1923)? Do you honestly think that a Muslim prime minister could be easily accepted in Greece?

[boomerang]

Piratis the English school saga is called racist blackmail which is taking place in your country where is your claim that the south has changed with democratic rights without discrimination you have been caught with your pants down and it aint a pretty sight.

what are he details of this english school thing?

gee whiz, we just finished state elections and someone would think with somewhere 10% of the population in VIC being greek someone would think the greeks would have gotten at least 10% reprentation in parlaiment...on top of that the high school i attended not only my class room was over run by greeks but no greek parents in the commitee...

thats it...i am gonna go medieval on the principle and the electorate's asses...can any tcs give me some hints?...vips?...

[BirKibrisli]

Wise,compassionate,intelligent posts from one of the few GCs on this forum who keeps giving us some hope for a just future for the TCs in their own country...Thank you Bananiot...whenever I give up all hope,and begin to think Partition is inevitable,there is no way we can ever live together again,you pop up and lighten my spirit again...

When the futile attempts of the ultranationalists,fascists,Hellenic supremists,and their counterparts,to stop us from becoming a united nation finally goes bankrupt,we will find the opportunity and the goodwill to work for a just future for all Cypriots...When those responsible for our present seemingly hopeless situation realise there are far more fair-minded,empathetic,compassionate Cypriots who will not bend to their threats and intimidations,and when they realise they cannot hide from history,we will get a chance to rebuild our battered homeland from the scratch...All we have to do is hang in there,the time is running out for the bloodyminded merchants of hatred,division,bitterness,and death...

Who are the compassionate Cypriots?

Those like yourself who support a "solution" based on the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people? Those who want to make GCs "pay the price" (your words) for everything that happened in the past?

Or maybe the compassionate Cypriots are those like myself, who support equality of all Cypriots without racist discriminations, without segregation, and without trying to punish innocent people because of what happened in the past?

The answer is obvious.

Unfortunately whom you like are not the compassionate Cypriots, but those Cypriots like Bananiot who are willing to accept your racist terms, and let you officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and enjoy privileges and powers on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

Piratis,don't kid yourself...You have no compassion for the TCs...

If you did you wouldn't deny the effect of Enosis with Greece dream on their collective psych...If you did you would not dismiss their pain and suffering by saying 'but we suffered more and for longer'...If you did you would not justify robbing them of their rights in the RoC,and you would not suggest they were always hell bent on Taksim,and left their homes and villages to go into enclaves to advance the cause of Taksim...You are only fooling yourself if you think you have any compassion for the TCs...You are as hard as they come,and as heartless as they come when it comes to the plight of the TCs...Both in the past and at present...So go sell your wares elsewhere,we are not interested...

You are confusing "compassion" with accepting your lame excuses for violating our human and democratic rights. The 2 are not the same thing.

If "enosis" would have such an effect on your "psych" to cause you to attack innocent people .....

There you go again...Totally misinterpreting history....

The TCs did not attack innocent people...They were too scared for their own lives and futures...The demand for Enosis with Greece ,and the presence of the EOKA militias made it necessary for the TCs to prepare for what was to come inevitably...They saw how the EOKA dealt with the British (killing innocent women and children) and they knew it was their turn once the British went...This is where you have no empathy or compassion for the TCs...You lie trough your teeth to justify your trecherous act of wanting to give my homeland to a foreign power...If the aim was for Independence and you sought the TC cooperations and did not get it,then you'd have reason to complain...As it turned out,you have yourself,EOKA and the Enosis dream to blame for robbing me of my homeland...That is why I am angry, and that is why I believe you need to pay "some" price at least for my and the rest of the TCs pain and suffering...You gave us no choice,and now you are blaming the victim for what happened...That is immoral and reprehensible...I will not stop telling you so...No matter how many misinformations and misinterpretations of history you keep repeating...

You are a liar. The TCs did attack innocent people starting the inter-communal conflict. The facts in this thread:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

What we wanted was to liberate our island from foreign imperialists as it happened with all other Greek islands. Nothing more and nothing less.

Unfortunately instead of finally accepting that the Cypriot people can be free to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, you collaborated with the Colonialists and started to kill innocent people.

Now tell me, how different are you from the Ottomans?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Well,it is your word against mine,your selective interpretation of history,against my selective interpretation of history...Some people will chose to believe me and some to believe you...Some others might suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle,but since we are as stubborn as our donkey's no one will admit the other could possibly be right in some of their arguments...Now,dear Piratis,can you see why we have not managed to find a solution all this time,and why we,the Cypriots,will have little say in our own future,and the future of our country???

[boomerang]

we have not manage to find a solution coz the US chose to back up everything it stands against by backing turkey...the US will back up everything along with her own interests...unless of course you see nothing wrong with a state build on ethnic cleansing...

just wondering if the US interests one day run foul with turkey similar with iraq, what your position be...since you are a backer of a state build on ethnic cleansing?...

[BirKibrisli]

we have not manage to find a solution coz the US chose to back up everything it stands against by backing turkey...the US will back up everything along with her own interests...unless of course you see nothing wrong with a state build on ethnic cleansing...

just wondering if the US interests one day run foul with turkey similar with iraq, what your position be...since you are a backer of a state build on ethnic cleansing?...

Wrong...I am not a backer of any state...I am a defender of the rights of the TC people...The people who were dispossessed of their rights in the RoC,forced into enclaves in a form of ethnic cleansing,and who gets accused of being a willing participant in their own tragedy...That is the difference...

It is you who justify your treachery of Enosis dream,the immorality of the AKRITAS plan,and the robbery of the TC rights in the RoC...That is the difference...

[ZoC]

..I am a defender of the rights of the TC people...

u don't champion the rights of one set of people at the expense of the rights of other people. you'll come a cropper in the end... it'll be your... (how can i put it..?)

[Get Real!]

Wrong...I am not a backer of any state...I am a defender of the rights of the TC people...The people who were dispossessed of their rights in the RoC,forced into enclaves in a form of ethnic cleansing,and who gets accused of being a willing participant in their own tragedy...That is the difference...

You’re incorrigibly fucked in the head…

[boomerang]

we have not manage to find a solution coz the US chose to back up everything it stands against by backing turkey...the US will back up everything along with her own interests...unless of course you see nothing wrong with a state build on ethnic cleansing...

just wondering if the US interests one day run foul with turkey similar with iraq, what your position be...since you are a backer of a state build on ethnic cleansing?...

Wrong...I am not a backer of any state...I am a defender of the rights of the TC people...The people who were dispossessed of their rights in the RoC,forced into enclaves in a form of ethnic cleansing,and who gets accused of being a willing participant in their own tragedy...That is the difference...

It is you who justify your treachery of Enosis dream,the immorality of the AKRITAS plan,and the robbery of the TC rights in the RoC...That is the difference...

really?...show me one post of mine that i supported enosis...or mistreatment of anyone in cyprus...

unlike you i will defend anyone and everyone via democracy, human rights and the rule of law...unlike you whining just so you can justify the wrongs of your comunity by violating and collective punishemn of others rights...

this is the difference between you and me...i care about everyone and you only care about your community in exploiting collective punishment dished out to a lot of cypriots...

now you get it?...

also i addressed more of your responces to your never ending whining, but as per usual you ignore replying coz you only seemed to not reply to anything that does not advance your partition dreams...

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[BirKibrisli]

Well,well,well....The wasps have all come out to attack!!!

That is what happens when one pokes a stick in their nest,I suppose...

But it is worth my while...You do not want to hear the truth...You'd rather live in your glass house throwing stones at every passer by...Till you repent,till you accept,till you appologise...I will be on your case reminding you of your treacherous,immoral,cruel attempts to ruin my homeland...To oppress and dominate the TCs at all cost...You have nowhere to escape...History will condemn you eventually,but before that I will curse you and condemn you for what you have done to my country...