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[boulio]

what is wrong with the muslims of greece?they havent been wiped out like the christians of turkey.Bad example.

[Afroasiatis]

what is wrong with the muslims of greece?they havent been wiped out like the christians of turkey.Bad example.

Muslims of Western Thrace may have not suffered the same pressure as the Greeks of Istanbul or Imvros, but their situation was far from being perfect. As a result of pressure, their numbers as percentage of the population of Western Thrace decreased. They faced discrimination in the form of e.g. the laws regarding loss of citizenship, or their rights on property. They were also generally excluded from power and important positions. I believe, not even in Rodopi, with its muslim majority, was there ever a Muslim Nomarchis (if somebody knows better, please correct me).

A different situation was that of the Muslims of Dodekanese, who (not being covered by the Lausanne Treaty) after some point, I think they also lost the right of autonomy in educational issues.

[Piratis]

The numbers of Muslims/Turks in Greece increased as opposed to the numbers of Greeks in Western Asia Minor who used to be the majority 100 years ago and now they are reduced to a small minority.

Greece only responded, in a comparatively mild way, to the actions of Turkey.

The problem is that the Turks want one set of rules for Greece and Cyprus, and another set of rules for Turkey.

Why don't they cut the double standards and accept the same rules for everybody? So the Turkish minorities in Greece and Cyprus will get exactly what the Greek minority gets in Turkey. Why don't the Turks agree with this?

[BirKibrisli]

Wise,compassionate,intelligent posts from one of the few GCs on this forum who keeps giving us some hope for a just future for the TCs in their own country...Thank you Bananiot...whenever I give up all hope,and begin to think Partition is inevitable,there is no way we can ever live together again,you pop up and lighten my spirit again...

When the futile attempts of the ultranationalists,fascists,Hellenic supremists,and their counterparts,to stop us from becoming a united nation finally goes bankrupt,we will find the opportunity and the goodwill to work for a just future for all Cypriots...When those responsible for our present seemingly hopeless situation realise there are far more fair-minded,empathetic,compassionate Cypriots who will not bend to their threats and intimidations,and when they realise they cannot hide from history,we will get a chance to rebuild our battered homeland from the scratch...All we have to do is hang in there,the time is running out for the bloodyminded merchants of hatred,division,bitterness,and death...

Who are the compassionate Cypriots?

Those like yourself who support a "solution" based on the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people? Those who want to make GCs "pay the price" (your words) for everything that happened in the past?

Or maybe the compassionate Cypriots are those like myself, who support equality of all Cypriots without racist discriminations, without segregation, and without trying to punish innocent people because of what happened in the past?

The answer is obvious.

Unfortunately whom you like are not the compassionate Cypriots, but those Cypriots like Bananiot who are willing to accept your racist terms, and let you officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and enjoy privileges and powers on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

Piratis,don't kid yourself...You have no compassion for the TCs...

If you did you wouldn't deny the effect of Enosis with Greece dream on their collective psych...If you did you would not dismiss their pain and suffering by saying 'but we suffered more and for longer'...If you did you would not justify robbing them of their rights in the RoC,and you would not suggest they were always hell bent on Taksim,and left their homes and villages to go into enclaves to advance the cause of Taksim...You are only fooling yourself if you think you have any compassion for the TCs...You are as hard as they come,and as heartless as they come when it comes to the plight of the TCs...Both in the past and at present...So go sell your wares elsewhere,we are not interested...

You are confusing "compassion" with accepting your lame excuses for violating our human and democratic rights. The 2 are not the same thing.

If "enosis" would have such an effect on your "psych" to cause you to attack innocent people .....

There you go again...Totally misinterpreting history....

The TCs did not attack innocent people...They were too scared for their own lives and futures...The demand for Enosis with Greece ,and the presence of the EOKA militias made it necessary for the TCs to prepare for what was to come inevitably...They saw how the EOKA dealt with the British (killing innocent women and children) and they knew it was their turn once the British went...This is where you have no empathy or compassion for the TCs...You lie trough your teeth to justify your trecherous act of wanting to give my homeland to a foreign power...If the aim was for Independence and you sought the TC cooperations and did not get it,then you'd have reason to complain...As it turned out,you have yourself,EOKA and the Enosis dream to blame for robbing me of my homeland...That is why I am angry, and that is why I believe you need to pay "some" price at least for my and the rest of the TCs pain and suffering...You gave us no choice,and now you are blaming the victim for what happened...That is immoral and reprehensible...I will not stop telling you so...No matter how many misinformations and misinterpretations of history you keep repeating...

[Piratis]

Wise,compassionate,intelligent posts from one of the few GCs on this forum who keeps giving us some hope for a just future for the TCs in their own country...Thank you Bananiot...whenever I give up all hope,and begin to think Partition is inevitable,there is no way we can ever live together again,you pop up and lighten my spirit again...

When the futile attempts of the ultranationalists,fascists,Hellenic supremists,and their counterparts,to stop us from becoming a united nation finally goes bankrupt,we will find the opportunity and the goodwill to work for a just future for all Cypriots...When those responsible for our present seemingly hopeless situation realise there are far more fair-minded,empathetic,compassionate Cypriots who will not bend to their threats and intimidations,and when they realise they cannot hide from history,we will get a chance to rebuild our battered homeland from the scratch...All we have to do is hang in there,the time is running out for the bloodyminded merchants of hatred,division,bitterness,and death...

Who are the compassionate Cypriots?

Those like yourself who support a "solution" based on the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people? Those who want to make GCs "pay the price" (your words) for everything that happened in the past?

Or maybe the compassionate Cypriots are those like myself, who support equality of all Cypriots without racist discriminations, without segregation, and without trying to punish innocent people because of what happened in the past?

The answer is obvious.

Unfortunately whom you like are not the compassionate Cypriots, but those Cypriots like Bananiot who are willing to accept your racist terms, and let you officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and enjoy privileges and powers on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

Piratis,don't kid yourself...You have no compassion for the TCs...

If you did you wouldn't deny the effect of Enosis with Greece dream on their collective psych...If you did you would not dismiss their pain and suffering by saying 'but we suffered more and for longer'...If you did you would not justify robbing them of their rights in the RoC,and you would not suggest they were always hell bent on Taksim,and left their homes and villages to go into enclaves to advance the cause of Taksim...You are only fooling yourself if you think you have any compassion for the TCs...You are as hard as they come,and as heartless as they come when it comes to the plight of the TCs...Both in the past and at present...So go sell your wares elsewhere,we are not interested...

You are confusing "compassion" with accepting your lame excuses for violating our human and democratic rights. The 2 are not the same thing.

If "enosis" would have such an effect on your "psych" to cause you to attack innocent people .....

There you go again...Totally misinterpreting history....

The TCs did not attack innocent people...They were too scared for their own lives and futures...The demand for Enosis with Greece ,and the presence of the EOKA militias made it necessary for the TCs to prepare for what was to come inevitably...They saw how the EOKA dealt with the British (killing innocent women and children) and they knew it was their turn once the British went...This is where you have no empathy or compassion for the TCs...You lie trough your teeth to justify your trecherous act of wanting to give my homeland to a foreign power...If the aim was for Independence and you sought the TC cooperations and did not get it,then you'd have reason to complain...As it turned out,you have yourself,EOKA and the Enosis dream to blame for robbing me of my homeland...That is why I am angry, and that is why I believe you need to pay "some" price at least for my and the rest of the TCs pain and suffering...You gave us no choice,and now you are blaming the victim for what happened...That is immoral and reprehensible...I will not stop telling you so...No matter how many misinformations and misinterpretations of history you keep repeating...

You are a liar. The TCs did attack innocent people starting the inter-communal conflict. The facts in this thread:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

What we wanted was to liberate our island from foreign imperialists as it happened with all other Greek islands. Nothing more and nothing less.

Unfortunately instead of finally accepting that the Cypriot people can be free to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, you collaborated with the Colonialists and started to kill innocent people.

Now tell me, how different are you from the Ottomans?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

[boomerang]

Wise,compassionate,intelligent posts from one of the few GCs on this forum who keeps giving us some hope for a just future for the TCs in their own country...Thank you Bananiot...whenever I give up all hope,and begin to think Partition is inevitable,there is no way we can ever live together again,you pop up and lighten my spirit again...

When the futile attempts of the ultranationalists,fascists,Hellenic supremists,and their counterparts,to stop us from becoming a united nation finally goes bankrupt,we will find the opportunity and the goodwill to work for a just future for all Cypriots...When those responsible for our present seemingly hopeless situation realise there are far more fair-minded,empathetic,compassionate Cypriots who will not bend to their threats and intimidations,and when they realise they cannot hide from history,we will get a chance to rebuild our battered homeland from the scratch...All we have to do is hang in there,the time is running out for the bloodyminded merchants of hatred,division,bitterness,and death...

Who are the compassionate Cypriots?

Those like yourself who support a "solution" based on the ethnic cleansing and human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people? Those who want to make GCs "pay the price" (your words) for everything that happened in the past?

Or maybe the compassionate Cypriots are those like myself, who support equality of all Cypriots without racist discriminations, without segregation, and without trying to punish innocent people because of what happened in the past?

The answer is obvious.

Unfortunately whom you like are not the compassionate Cypriots, but those Cypriots like Bananiot who are willing to accept your racist terms, and let you officially Turkify the north part of Cyprus and enjoy privileges and powers on the expense of our human and democratic rights.

Piratis,don't kid yourself...You have no compassion for the TCs...

If you did you wouldn't deny the effect of Enosis with Greece dream on their collective psych...If you did you would not dismiss their pain and suffering by saying 'but we suffered more and for longer'...If you did you would not justify robbing them of their rights in the RoC,and you would not suggest they were always hell bent on Taksim,and left their homes and villages to go into enclaves to advance the cause of Taksim...You are only fooling yourself if you think you have any compassion for the TCs...You are as hard as they come,and as heartless as they come when it comes to the plight of the TCs...Both in the past and at present...So go sell your wares elsewhere,we are not interested...

You are confusing "compassion" with accepting your lame excuses for violating our human and democratic rights. The 2 are not the same thing.

If "enosis" would have such an effect on your "psych" to cause you to attack innocent people .....

There you go again...Totally misinterpreting history....

The TCs did not attack innocent people...They were too scared for their own lives and futures...The demand for Enosis with Greece ,and the presence of the EOKA militias made it necessary for the TCs to prepare for what was to come inevitably...They saw how the EOKA dealt with the British (killing innocent women and children) and they knew it was their turn once the British went...This is where you have no empathy or compassion for the TCs...You lie trough your teeth to justify your trecherous act of wanting to give my homeland to a foreign power...If the aim was for Independence and you sought the TC cooperations and did not get it,then you'd have reason to complain...As it turned out,you have yourself,EOKA and the Enosis dream to blame for robbing me of my homeland...That is why I am angry, and that is why I believe you need to pay "some" price at least for my and the rest of the TCs pain and suffering...You gave us no choice,and now you are blaming the victim for what happened...That is immoral and reprehensible...I will not stop telling you so...No matter how many misinformations and misinterpretations of history you keep repeating...

[wyoming cowboy]

How do you negotiate with GCs on this forum the majority of which are extremists.

you are a total moron.....if you act like a minority you will be treated as one.....homey

[wyoming cowboy]

Piratis the English school saga is called racist blackmail which is taking place in your country where is your claim that the south has changed with democratic rights without discrimination you have been caught with your pants down and it aint a pretty sight.

what are he details of this english school thing?

[boulio]

Muslims of Western Thrace may have not suffered the same pressure as the Greeks of Istanbul or Imvros, but their situation was far from being perfect. As a result of pressure, their numbers as percentage of the population of Western Thrace decreased. They faced discrimination in the form of e.g. the laws regarding loss of citizenship, or their rights on property. They were also generally excluded from power and important positions. I believe, not even in Rodopi, with its muslim majority, was there ever a Muslim Nomarchis (if somebody knows better, please correct me).

A different situation was that of the Muslims of Dodekanese, who (not being covered by the Lausanne Treaty) after some point, I think they also lost the right of autonomy in educational issues.

They number about 120,000 out of a population of 375,000 in western thrace.When ypu say excluded from power what do you mean?33% minority to rule a 66% majority?Sorry western thrace is not cyprus.Concerning komotini with the large population of muslims do you know how much they got in the most recent election?7% of the vote ,do you know why?because of there pro turkish rhetoric that didn't go well with the muslims of komotini who many are not turkish but pomak.

[Afroasiatis]

The numbers of Muslims/Turks in Greece increased as opposed to the numbers of Greeks in Western Asia Minor who used to be the majority 100 years ago and now they are reduced to a small minority.

Their absolute numbers increased due to natural growth. As a percentage, they dropped. If everything went uninterrrupted, and assuming only an average natural growth, their numbers should be higher today. The Muslims also used to be the majority in Western Thrace -they're not anymore.

Greece only responded, in a comparatively mild way, to the actions of Turkey.

The problem is that the Turks want one set of rules for Greece and Cyprus, and another set of rules for Turkey.

Why don't they cut the double standards and accept the same rules for everybody? So the Turkish minorities in Greece and Cyprus will get exactly what the Greek minority gets in Turkey. Why don't the Turks agree with this?

It's exactly this mentality that is the problem. That a minority in a country is supposed to pay for the actions of another country, on which it has no influence and is not in anyway to be blamed for it. What Turkey does or wants should be completely irrelevant to the way Muslims of Thrace are treated. They should be treated as equal citizens of the country according to general human rights. Luckily, it seems so that in the recent decades the attitude of the greek state towards them began changing.

Nation-states have a natural tendency to mistreat their minorities, using various excuses. As you justify the mistreatment of Muslims in Greece through the behavior of Turkey, what could assure the TCs that they wouldn't be treated in the same way if ever Turkey did something bad, on which they could have no influence?