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[revolver]

No source = No story!

If TC source = Don’t worry about it!

Btw, the president of the RoC would never say something stupid like "south Cyprus"!

Probably you are reading MAHI, but Politis covered the same story

[Oracle]

I'm not one to cut&paste CM, but in this case, even they contradict what you suggest:


Unity with Greece stays strong

By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on November 24, 2010

CYPRUS FACES the ‘harsh reality’ that unity on the home front is lacking, President Demetris Christofias said yesterday, addressing the Hellenic Parliament in Athens during a special ceremony to mark the 50th anniversary of the independence of the Republic of Cyprus.
Speaking as the first Cypriot president to ever address the Hellenic Parliament, Christofias thanked Greece for its support, indicating while there was no unity within Cyprus there certainly is between the island and Greece.
“What is needed is unity between Cyprus and Greece, but at the same time, equally important is unity among the political forces in Cyprus. And this unity is wanted, I must say with bitterness. This is not the time to make such an analysis, but this is unfortunately the harsh reality we face,” he said.
Responding to comments from the opposition back home, Christofias reiterated that UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon did not set any timeframes at the meeting in New York last Thursday.
“That he invited us to Geneva after holding a number of meetings with (Turkish Cypriot leader) Mr (Dervis) Eroglu does not mean a strict timeframe. It is not a timeframe, because we don’t have before us like in the bitter past any solution plan to respond yes or no to, and the UNSG has no authority to proceed to arbitration,” he said.
The president rejected “whisperings” circulating that Ban supposedly proposed four or five-party talks in New York. It was Eroglu who made the proposal which Ban and Christofias both rejected, saying that an international conference would be discussed when the conditions were right. He added that Ban had given an “objective” assessment of the talks so far.
“I say that to clarify things, because sometimes when I read things I question whether I was there at the meeting with the UNSG and Mr Eroglu,” said Christofias.
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, who referred to Christofias on a number of occasions as his “friend”, gave his full backing to the president’s positions in the talks, highlighting that Greece supports Cyprus in deeds not in words.
“The Cyprus problem constitutes a top priority of Greek foreign policy. Without its solution, Greco-Turkish relations cannot be fully normalised,” he said.
Christofias said the targeted federal solution would be such that each community will not be able to impose its will on the other.
“We have no intention of imposing the Greek Cypriot will on the Turkish Cypriot community. We want one Cyprus by the Cypriots for the Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. It is for this reason that we had asked that the Secretary-General reaffirm that the process is Cypriot-owned and led, that there is no question of introducing arbitration and tight and strict timetables,” he added.
Asked about the prospects of a solution soon, Christofias said: “Having in mind the hard positions put forward by Mr Eroglu on the issue of properties which are effectively leading to deadlock, one must wonder why he insists on reaching a solution pretty soon.
“What will the outcome be? Will the outcome be deadlock? Does Eroglu want a deadlock? This is a big question. Does Mr Eroglu want this deadlock? Is he planning along with Turkey to promote the recognition of a second state in Cyprus? These are questions which the international community has to address,” he said.
Christofias said there was “no chance of accepting that we are inevitably being led to a two state solution.” The prospects of a solution will open up “if Eroglu accepts to discuss the issue of territory, illegal settlers and properties jointly and form a clear picture of where we stand and what the Turkish Cypriot community really wants.”
He added: “If it was up to me, I would tell you that prospects are very good. But it is up to Mr. Eroglu and Turkey.”
The president acknowledged that the Greek Cypriot negotiating team has differences with the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey over the meaning of a bizonal, bicommunal federation. “Those differences remain on the table,” he said.
According to a source close to the talks, the meeting in New York between Ban and the two leaders did not aim to impose deadlines but to encourage the two Cypriot leaders to concentrate on the “big issues”. If they get solved, the thinking is the rest will come easier.
In the past, Christofias and Eroglu, as well as his predecessor Mehmet Ali Talat, would often get bogged down on small details. The UN wants to see the leaders try something new and focus on all the big issues before Geneva’s meeting.
“It concentrated minds on the end game. It feels like we’re moving towards a conclusion,” said the source.
No conclusion can happen without Turkey getting more involved, but for this to happen, Christofias argues the two leaders need to at least agree on the internal aspects of a solution.
“Everybody knows you can’t finish the property chapter without looking at territory,” said the source. Linking those chapters was again rejected by Eroglu in New York.
If the two sides fail to inch closer by January, will the UN team maintain the status quo? Will UN Special Adviser Alexander Downer renew his contract, and if so, for how long?
The UN remains acutely aware that whatever it does, elections will be held in May in Cyprus, and June in Turkey. The following year, Cyprus holds the EU presidency while in 2013, there’ll be presidential elections in Cyprus, as well as in the Turkish Cypriot community.

[Get Real!]

No source = No story!

If TC source = Don’t worry about it!

Btw, the president of the RoC would never say something stupid like "south Cyprus"!

Probably you are reading MAHI, but Politis covered the same story

I don’t read ANY Cypriot newspapers!

It’s stupid “Turkish Cypriot” interpretations we are SICK of!

[revolver]

No source = No story!

If TC source = Don’t worry about it!

Btw, the president of the RoC would never say something stupid like "south Cyprus"!

Probably you are reading MAHI, but Politis covered the same story

I don’t read ANY Cypriot newspapers!

It’s stupid “Turkish Cypriot” interpretations we are SICK of!

So what is it Get Real,?_
You can not believe that your president tell such things or what?
You asked source, I gave, than what_?
It is bitter truth or something? or am I waste my time here to chat an head hunter like you?

[BirKibrisli]

I'm not one to cut&paste CM, but in this case, even they contradict what you suggest:


Unity with Greece stays strong

By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on November 24, 2010

CYPRUS FACES the ‘harsh reality’ that unity on the home front is lacking, President Demetris Christofias said yesterday, addressing the Hellenic Parliament in Athens during a special ceremony to mark the 50th anniversary of the independence of the Republic of Cyprus.
Speaking as the first Cypriot president to ever address the Hellenic Parliament, Christofias thanked Greece for its support, indicating while there was no unity within Cyprus there certainly is between the island and Greece.
“What is needed is unity between Cyprus and Greece, but at the same time, equally important is unity among the political forces in Cyprus. And this unity is wanted, I must say with bitterness. This is not the time to make such an analysis, but this is unfortunately the harsh reality we face,” he said.
Responding to comments from the opposition back home, Christofias reiterated that UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon did not set any timeframes at the meeting in New York last Thursday.
“That he invited us to Geneva after holding a number of meetings with (Turkish Cypriot leader) Mr (Dervis) Eroglu does not mean a strict timeframe. It is not a timeframe, because we don’t have before us like in the bitter past any solution plan to respond yes or no to, and the UNSG has no authority to proceed to arbitration,” he said.
The president rejected “whisperings” circulating that Ban supposedly proposed four or five-party talks in New York. It was Eroglu who made the proposal which Ban and Christofias both rejected, saying that an international conference would be discussed when the conditions were right. He added that Ban had given an “objective” assessment of the talks so far.
“I say that to clarify things, because sometimes when I read things I question whether I was there at the meeting with the UNSG and Mr Eroglu,” said Christofias.
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, who referred to Christofias on a number of occasions as his “friend”, gave his full backing to the president’s positions in the talks, highlighting that Greece supports Cyprus in deeds not in words.
“The Cyprus problem constitutes a top priority of Greek foreign policy. Without its solution, Greco-Turkish relations cannot be fully normalised,” he said.
Christofias said the targeted federal solution would be such that each community will not be able to impose its will on the other.
“We have no intention of imposing the Greek Cypriot will on the Turkish Cypriot community. We want one Cyprus by the Cypriots for the Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. It is for this reason that we had asked that the Secretary-General reaffirm that the process is Cypriot-owned and led, that there is no question of introducing arbitration and tight and strict timetables,” he added.
Asked about the prospects of a solution soon, Christofias said: “Having in mind the hard positions put forward by Mr Eroglu on the issue of properties which are effectively leading to deadlock, one must wonder why he insists on reaching a solution pretty soon.
“What will the outcome be? Will the outcome be deadlock? Does Eroglu want a deadlock? This is a big question. Does Mr Eroglu want this deadlock? Is he planning along with Turkey to promote the recognition of a second state in Cyprus? These are questions which the international community has to address,” he said.
Christofias said there was “no chance of accepting that we are inevitably being led to a two state solution.” The prospects of a solution will open up “if Eroglu accepts to discuss the issue of territory, illegal settlers and properties jointly and form a clear picture of where we stand and what the Turkish Cypriot community really wants.”
He added: “If it was up to me, I would tell you that prospects are very good. But it is up to Mr. Eroglu and Turkey.”
The president acknowledged that the Greek Cypriot negotiating team has differences with the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey over the meaning of a bizonal, bicommunal federation. “Those differences remain on the table,” he said.
According to a source close to the talks, the meeting in New York between Ban and the two leaders did not aim to impose deadlines but to encourage the two Cypriot leaders to concentrate on the “big issues”. If they get solved, the thinking is the rest will come easier.
In the past, Christofias and Eroglu, as well as his predecessor Mehmet Ali Talat, would often get bogged down on small details. The UN wants to see the leaders try something new and focus on all the big issues before Geneva’s meeting.
“It concentrated minds on the end game. It feels like we’re moving towards a conclusion,” said the source.
No conclusion can happen without Turkey getting more involved, but for this to happen, Christofias argues the two leaders need to at least agree on the internal aspects of a solution.
“Everybody knows you can’t finish the property chapter without looking at territory,” said the source. Linking those chapters was again rejected by Eroglu in New York.
If the two sides fail to inch closer by January, will the UN team maintain the status quo? Will UN Special Adviser Alexander Downer renew his contract, and if so, for how long?
The UN remains acutely aware that whatever it does, elections will be held in May in Cyprus, and June in Turkey. The following year, Cyprus holds the EU presidency while in 2013, there’ll be presidential elections in Cyprus, as well as in the Turkish Cypriot community.

Talk is cheap,Mr Christofias...

We have no intention of imposing the Greek Cypriot will on the Turkish Cypriot community. We want one Cyprus by the Cypriots for the Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots

Tell us how you are going to stop the GC community imposing their will on the TC community in One Cyprus for the Cypriots...After all that has been the main ambition of the GC community since the establishment of the RoC,and the reason why the RoC Constitution was violated back in 1963...That quote above is the emptiest political double-speak I have heard in a long while...

[Piratis]

Christofias made a historic speech at the Greek parliament and said :
"There was no Turkish occupation, if there was no junta of 15 July"

Fantastic. Here we go. This is the other side of the mediallion.
None of them was right, neither junta, nor occupation.

It is well known that the coup was the excuse that Turkey used to invade and occupy Cyprus. But it was a lame excuse, since we also all know that the Turks were planning for partition since the 50s, long before any coup or any other excuse they give. This is why their excuse is rejected and their occupation is and will remain illegal.

Nobody said that the coup was right apart from a small minority that supported it. The rest were fighting against it (except from the TCs, who instead of fighting against the coupists they instead choose to collaborate with Turkey to kill and ethnically cleanse innocent people)

The coup was wrong but it only lasted for 5 days. The occupation is far worst as it resulted in the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people, and it continues for 36 years, long after their lame excuse ceased to exist.

[Piratis]

Tell us how you are going to stop the GC community imposing their will on the TC community in One Cyprus for the Cypriots...After all that has been the main ambition of the GC community since the establishment of the RoC,and the reason why the RoC Constitution was violated back in 1963...That quote above is the emptiest political double-speak I have heard in a long while...

How does Turkey does it for the Greek minority there? We can do it in Cyprus for the Turkish minority in the exact same way.

Or maybe you choose double standards?

[B25]

Fasict Grandpa, learnt his grandson to shot Turks and Coms.

Pres X is just pissed that the grandad said commies. He agreed about the turks though, sooner the better a???

[BirKibrisli]

Tell us how you are going to stop the GC community imposing their will on the TC community in One Cyprus for the Cypriots...After all that has been the main ambition of the GC community since the establishment of the RoC,and the reason why the RoC Constitution was violated back in 1963...That quote above is the emptiest political double-speak I have heard in a long while...

How does Turkey does it for the Greek minority there? We can do it in Cyprus for the Turkish minority in the exact same way.

Or maybe you choose double standards?

Piratis,you are blind by choice,i know,but let me remind you once again...The TCs were never like the Greek minority in Turkey or the Turkish (or should i say Muslim to be politically correct in Greek parlance!) minority in Greece...We were, and legitimately still are ,equal partners in the RoC,as stated in the Constitution and guaranteed by a special treaty...When you come to terms with this Cyprus problem will be solved...If you don't,Cyprus problem IS solved...Very simple really...
Your denial of our historical rights will not make us give them up...I thought it would've been obvious by now! But some people NEVER learn it seems...

[Get Real!]

We were, and legitimately still are ,equal partners in the RoC,as stated in the Constitution and guaranteed by a special treaty...

30% of the House of Reps Vs 70% is NOT equal!