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[dinos]

Some company recreated the face on the shroud and featured on a History channel show last year. Pretty interesting stuff with or without religious context.



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[ZoC]

Well, what I find the most fascinating is how much it looks like ZoC ... (or Zeno of Citium)

(Check the avatar and shroud photo, side by side, at the start of the thread! )

We're both cerebral Semites after all.

[ZoC]

Some company recreated the face on the shroud and featured on a History channel show last year. Pretty interesting stuff with or without religious context.



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Jesus!

[wyoming cowboy]

Some company recreated the face on the shroud and featured on a History channel show last year. Pretty interesting stuff with or without religious context.



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i thought it was NASA that recreated the image, with technology that maps planets

[Oracle]

The "Jesus" image "recreated" from the shroud fits in with our brainwashed, ideological perceptions because the early Christian images were based on that bearded fellow enshrined in the cloth and not because Jesus actually looked like that.

Anyway, the image looks like most of the males in my extended family ...

[ZoC]

The "Jesus" image "recreated" from the shroud fits in with our brainwashed, ideological perceptions because the early Christian images were based on that bearded fellow enshrined in the cloth and not because Jesus actually looked like that.

Anyway, the image looks like most of the males in my extended family ...

interestingly enough there are many parallels between traditional christian depictions of jesus and the face in the shroud, suggesting that the shroud may well have inspired the 'iconographic', long-haired bearded image we have of him.



interesting analysis here..
http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-jesus-in-art.htm

[Oracle]

I'd go as far as to say he (He), represents the ideal image of the man that women most fancy and the ideal image that men probably trust the most.

He's lovely ...

Mary Magdalene, move over!

[wyoming cowboy]

there was a segment of the documentary where it was mentioned that a piece of cloth owned by an orthodox monastery in jerusalem, that was used to wipe his face during the crucifixian, there are some markings on that cloth, the scientist also used this by placing the cloth over the 3-D image the markings on the cloth matched perfectly the wounds on the 3D image....

[ZoC]

I recall an article which refuted ALL the claims made in support of the shroud being considered genuine.

The basis upon which the refutation was made was directly connected with the image itself and, when one considers the points raised in exposing it as a fraud, it DOES warrant some thought.

Since the image depicts an almost perfect representation of the human form, it was suggested that the FACE (particularly) would have been far more distorted and larger since the shroud would have been wrapped around it.

If a body was placed into a wooden (or other) box and a sheet stretched taughtly over the box, there might be a possibility of some form transferring itself to the sheet.

Since the body WAS (as far as we are able to determine) wrapped, it is easy to agree with the apparent validity of refutation.

There is no doubt that if the shroud WAS found to be a fake, the general public would be the last to become aware of it, I do wonder if any member can either shed some further light or perhaps expand on the points I have raised here.

just seen this schnauzer. here's some light shedding for u...

this analysis presupposes that the image was created somehow by direct transfer from surface of skin to material, (wrapped tightly around it), eg. body fluids causing some kind of chemical reaction. however, if this was the case the intensity of the discolouration would be more even - wherever there was contact - resulting, as u say, in a distorted image, compounded by capillary action...

but what is evident is only the surface fibrals of the cloth are discoloured, and to a greater degree in areas which would catch the light more, ie. the nose, the brow, lips. (this is why the image looks more impressive in negative).

it would appear, therefore, light energy, radiating upwards and downwards from (and perpendicular to) the body, discoloured the outer fibrals and created the image. more prominent body features, eg nose etc. caused greater discolouration.

the image also has 3d and hollographic qualities underlining the fact that light is somehow responsible for image creation. see here..

[ZoC]

there was a segment of the documentary where it was mentioned that a piece of cloth owned by an orthodox monastery in jerusalem, that was used to wipe his face during the crucifixian, there are some markings on that cloth, the scientist also used this by placing the cloth over the 3-D image the markings on the cloth matched perfectly the wounds on the 3D image....

ur talking, i believe, about the sudarium, which is now housed in a cathedral in ovideo, spain.

this, it is believed, was another burial cloth; the face cloth - used to wipe jesus's wounds from the crown of thorns.

this cloth is documented to have existed since around 600 AD. as u say, the configuration of the blood stains on the sudarium matches that of the shroud... another interesting colloration is the blood type... which also matches that of the shroud. it is AB (common to jews, but not europeans, apparently).