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[ZoC]

I doubt a thin sheet of material from 2000 years ago would last this long! I haven’t seen any kind of attire or material (textile) from that long ago preserved in museums.

Have you lot?

the shroud has (historically documented to have) been carefully looked after and preserved since at least the 14th century.

and, if historians who present evidence that it is one and the same as the Edessa cloth/Mandylion, are to be believed, then as far back (at least) as the early centuries AD.

[supporttheunderdog]

I doubt a thin sheet of material from 2000 years ago would last this long! I haven’t seen any kind of attire or material (textile) from that long ago preserved in museums.

Have you lot?

I once saw a 3500 year old piece of dog-pooh in a museum.

On a more serious note, though the prospect of cloth surviving so long is small, it is enhanced if the item is deliberatly kept safe through having some percived value. I understand parts of a 1st century burial shroud have been found, as have ancient fragements pf papyrus, which is probably even more fragile, so I would not reject the possibility of cloth surviving that long.
A number of scientists have proven that image on the Shroud could have been fabricated by various techniques available imn medieval times.

Intrestingly,On the other hand, rock samples taken from the shroud seem consistent with rock near Jerusalem.

I'd thus prefer to maintain an open on the authenticity of the cloth, pending further evidence of testing from parts which clarly might not include medieval repairs, as the carbon dates parts already tested might do, or other irreprocheable evidnce.

[Daniella]

I doubt a thin sheet of material from 2000 years ago would last this long! I haven’t seen any kind of attire or material (textile) from that long ago preserved in museums.

Have you lot?

You are wrong, exist textile material of Egyptian age well conservated, in Torino Museum

[EricSeans]

While researching this fascinating topic I stumbled across this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... of%20Urine

[CBBB]

While researching this fascinating topic I stumbled across this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... of%20Urine

Why am I not surprised?

[ZoC]

I doubt a thin sheet of material from 2000 years ago would last this long! I haven’t seen any kind of attire or material (textile) from that long ago preserved in museums.

Have you lot?

I once saw a 3500 year old piece of dog-pooh in a museum.

On a more serious note, though the prospect of cloth surviving so long is small, it is enhanced if the item is deliberatly kept safe through having some percived value. I understand parts of a 1st century burial shroud have been found, as have ancient fragements pf papyrus, which is probably even more fragile, so I would not reject the possibility of cloth surviving that long.
A number of scientists have proven that image on the Shroud could have been fabricated by various techniques available imn medieval times.

Intrestingly,On the other hand, rock samples taken from the shroud seem consistent with rock near Jerusalem.

my fellow ειρηνοποιοs is correct. also pollen grain tests have been done on the shroud revealing plants (burial flowers?) which are only found in the Jerusulam area, were placed on it.

http://www.shroud.com/danin2.htm

[EricSeans]

While researching this fascinating topic I stumbled across this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... of%20Urine

Why am I not surprised?

Dunno. Too much CBeebies?

[Oracle]

I doubt a thin sheet of material from 2000 years ago would last this long! I haven’t seen any kind of attire or material (textile) from that long ago preserved in museums.

Have you lot?

I once saw a 3500 year old piece of dog-pooh in a museum.

On a more serious note, though the prospect of cloth surviving so long is small, it is enhanced if the item is deliberatly kept safe through having some percived value. I understand parts of a 1st century burial shroud have been found, as have ancient fragements pf papyrus, which is probably even more fragile, so I would not reject the possibility of cloth surviving that long.
A number of scientists have proven that image on the Shroud could have been fabricated by various techniques available imn medieval times.

Intrestingly,On the other hand, rock samples taken from the shroud seem consistent with rock near Jerusalem.

my fellow ειρηνοποιοs is correct. also pollen grain tests have been done on the shroud revealing plants (burial flowers?) which are only found in the Jerusulam area, were placed on it.

http://www.shroud.com/danin2.htm

However, these were only identified from photographs and not by DNA or radiocarbon dating. The pollen could have accumulated any time during storage.

[Schnauzer]

I recall an article which refuted ALL the claims made in support of the shroud being considered genuine.

The basis upon which the refutation was made was directly connected with the image itself and, when one considers the points raised in exposing it as a fraud, it DOES warrant some thought.

Since the image depicts an almost perfect representation of the human form, it was suggested that the FACE (particularly) would have been far more distorted and larger since the shroud would have been wrapped around it.

If a body was placed into a wooden (or other) box and a sheet stretched taughtly over the box, there might be a possibility of some form transferring itself to the sheet.

Since the body WAS (as far as we are able to determine) wrapped, it is easy to agree with the apparent validity of refutation.

There is no doubt that if the shroud WAS found to be a fake, the general public would be the last to become aware of it, I do wonder if any member can either shed some further light or perhaps expand on the points I have raised here.

[Oracle]

Well, what I find the most fascinating is how much it looks like ZoC ... (or Zeno of Citium)

(Check the avatar and shroud photo, side by side, at the start of the thread! )