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[Kikapu]

We didnt need two and half years to know that, what waste of time.

It's not a question of whether you know it or not, but a question of whether you accept it or not. The moment you accept UN Resolutions with international and European laws, then peace can be found very quickly, like in a matter of days actually.!

If it means capitulating to GC demands and becoming a minority in our own country we can stay as we are.

You cannot change the fact that the TCs are a numerical minority in Cyprus, but it does not mean you will have any less rights than a numerical majority, as the case is in any true democratic countries, Switzerland being a perfect example. Your problem is not about having same rights as everyone else, but wanting more rights than anyone else, and you can have that to a degree if you want, but those extra rights are only afforded to minorities in the form of minority rights. Is that what you want, minority rights, just so to have more rights than the rest.??

You know full well what we want, its to govern ourselves under a BBF with guaranteed political equality of the states.

That can be arranged to a point under True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and EU Principles. The question is, what are you willing to give up to achieve that.?

Let me give you a clue. How about Taksim and most of the GCs land back.!

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu,What you are talking about (True democracy) no doubt is the best solution to our problem...The trouble is the conditions (political,social,historical) in Cyprus would not allow this to happen...

You need maturity, trust,understanding,good will ,empathy and compassion,to make your True democracy work in practice..None of the is present in Cyprus at the moment... Your "True Democracy" if put into operation will lead to oppression,revenge,intimidation,and inevitably violation of human rights in the guise of democracy...I am sorry to say this,but that is how I see it...It is all right for those of us who have safe heavens elsewhere,but we cannot expect the TCs and the new TCs who live in Cyprus to become guinea pigs in another ill fated experiment of idealism and romanticism...

[B25]

All your rants are falling on deaf ears, you are well and truly screwed and you know it. You wanted ENOSIS instead you got FUCKED. Did it hurt? Does it still hurt? Will it keep hurting for ever and ever and eveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr.

Let's see how long you'll play the Pasha in other people’s properties when you can't even afford to put a pair of knickers on your dirty arse!

Boudana!

The TRNC gave me 25 donums of prime land in Esentepe which I sold 3 yaers ago at the hight of the property boom. I pocketed 1.25 million Pound Sterling and am doing very well thank you. This kind of money buys me many knickers and suits. I'd lile to thank my Greek neighbour for this opportunity. Next time you try anything silly you may lose the lot and I may get myself another 40-50 donums so behave.

Noted. You and your friend bir kibrisli must be very happy indeed.

No I am not happy...My Mum has 22 donums left behind in Paphos for which she has received nothing so far...I will be happy if she lives long enough to see natural justice done...She is 90 years old now,so I don't like her chances...If she doesnt see that day,i will hold you personally responsible,Gregory...You better watch out...

Is your mums land on the beach by any chance?? An associate of mind would be interested. He can also organised getting it out of the guardianship for you to sell on.. What do you say??

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,What you are talking about (True democracy) no doubt is the best solution to our problem...The trouble is the conditions (political,social,historical) in Cyprus would not allow this to happen...

You need maturity, trust,understanding,good will ,empathy and compassion,to make your True democracy work in practice..None of the is present in Cyprus at the moment... Your "True Democracy" if put into operation will lead to oppression,revenge,intimidation,and inevitably violation of human rights in the guise of democracy...I am sorry to say this,but that is how I see it...It is all right for those of us who have safe heavens elsewhere,but we cannot expect the TCs and the new TCs who live in Cyprus to become guinea pigs in another ill fated experiment of idealism and romanticism...

Hi Bir,

The problems as you have described can happen only at the present time if you are talking in the form of a Unitary state, that the risks may be there, but we are talking about in the form of a BBF, where the TCs would be the overwhelming majority in one of the states, with equal power (50%) in the upper house based on True Democracy. In order for all this to happen however, significant GC land would needs to be returned to become part of the south state so that it's GC owners then too will become part of the south state, so to be able to form a True Federation, which would cancel out the desires for Taksim in the north state. This gives comfort for all that Cyprus remains as one where everyone can enjoy all of Cyprus as their country, just as we do in all other True Federation system countries, including Australia.

Why is it acceptable for the TCs in wanting to form a confederation state and to keep majority of the GC land as per Annan plan, but not under a True Federation with most of the GC land returned.? The difference is, where the Confederation system would retain the Taksim dreams alive to make it possible for partitioning the island legally and democratically, taking with it majority of the GC land that is now in the north. With such distinct possibilities of partition happening, how can we expect the GCs to give any understanding, compassion and empathy, trust and equal power to the TCs.? Don't you think all this needs to be given by both sides in order to reduce the suspicions of each other.? This can not be a one way street, but a two way street, and a True Federation under BBF is what will safeguard everyone and also keep Cyprus from being partitioned.!

[BirKibrisli]

All your rants are falling on deaf ears, you are well and truly screwed and you know it. You wanted ENOSIS instead you got FUCKED. Did it hurt? Does it still hurt? Will it keep hurting for ever and ever and eveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr.

Let's see how long you'll play the Pasha in other people’s properties when you can't even afford to put a pair of knickers on your dirty arse!

Boudana!

The TRNC gave me 25 donums of prime land in Esentepe which I sold 3 yaers ago at the hight of the property boom. I pocketed 1.25 million Pound Sterling and am doing very well thank you. This kind of money buys me many knickers and suits. I'd lile to thank my Greek neighbour for this opportunity. Next time you try anything silly you may lose the lot and I may get myself another 40-50 donums so behave.

Noted. You and your friend bir kibrisli must be very happy indeed.

No I am not happy...My Mum has 22 donums left behind in Paphos for which she has received nothing so far...I will be happy if she lives long enough to see natural justice done...She is 90 years old now,so I don't like her chances...If she doesnt see that day,i will hold you personally responsible,Gregory...You better watch out...

Is your mums land on the beach by any chance?? An associate of mind would be interested. He can also organised getting it out of the guardianship for you to sell on.. What do you say??

No,it is in the mountains...And I do not believe in piecemeal solutions...My Mum can wait till there is a comprehensive solution and ALL refugees can get compensation...If she dies while she is waiting, like tens of thousands of other Cypriots before her,so be it...

[B25]

All your rants are falling on deaf ears, you are well and truly screwed and you know it. You wanted ENOSIS instead you got FUCKED. Did it hurt? Does it still hurt? Will it keep hurting for ever and ever and eveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr.

Let's see how long you'll play the Pasha in other people’s properties when you can't even afford to put a pair of knickers on your dirty arse!

Boudana!

The TRNC gave me 25 donums of prime land in Esentepe which I sold 3 yaers ago at the hight of the property boom. I pocketed 1.25 million Pound Sterling and am doing very well thank you. This kind of money buys me many knickers and suits. I'd lile to thank my Greek neighbour for this opportunity. Next time you try anything silly you may lose the lot and I may get myself another 40-50 donums so behave.

Noted. You and your friend bir kibrisli must be very happy indeed.

No I am not happy...My Mum has 22 donums left behind in Paphos for which she has received nothing so far...I will be happy if she lives long enough to see natural justice done...She is 90 years old now,so I don't like her chances...If she doesnt see that day,i will hold you personally responsible,Gregory...You better watch out...

Is your mums land on the beach by any chance?? An associate of mind would be interested. He can also organised getting it out of the guardianship for you to sell on.. What do you say??

No,it is in the mountains...And I do not believe in piecemeal solutions...My Mum can wait till there is a comprehensive solution and ALL refugees can get compensation...If she dies while she is waiting, like tens of thousands of other Cypriots before her,so be it...

Ah well, it was worth a try. Hope you get it sorted. If its any consolation, my Gfather already passed away, never to see it sorted.

[BirKibrisli]

Kikapu,What you are talking about (True democracy) no doubt is the best solution to our problem...The trouble is the conditions (political,social,historical) in Cyprus would not allow this to happen...

You need maturity, trust,understanding,good will ,empathy and compassion,to make your True democracy work in practice..None of the is present in Cyprus at the moment... Your "True Democracy" if put into operation will lead to oppression,revenge,intimidation,and inevitably violation of human rights in the guise of democracy...I am sorry to say this,but that is how I see it...It is all right for those of us who have safe heavens elsewhere,but we cannot expect the TCs and the new TCs who live in Cyprus to become guinea pigs in another ill fated experiment of idealism and romanticism...

Hi Bir,

The problems as you have described can happen only at the present time if you are talking in the form of a Unitary state, that the risks may be there, but we are talking about in the form of a BBF, where the TCs would be the overwhelming majority in one of the states, with equal power (50%) in the upper house based on True Democracy. In order for all this to happen however, significant GC land would needs to be returned to become part of the south state so that it's GC owners then too will become part of the south state, so to be able to form a True Federation, which would cancel out the desires for Taksim in the north state. This gives comfort for all that Cyprus remains as one where everyone can enjoy all of Cyprus as their country, just as we do in all other True Federation system countries, including Australia.

Why is it acceptable for the TCs in wanting to form a confederation state and to keep majority of the GC land as per Annan plan, but not under a True Federation with most of the GC land returned.? The difference is, where the Confederation system would retain the Taksim dreams alive to make it possible for partitioning the island legally and democratically, taking with it majority of the GC land that is now in the north. With such distinct possibilities of partition happening, how can we expect the GCs to give any understanding, compassion and empathy, trust and equal power to the TCs.? Don't you think all this needs to be given by both sides in order to reduce the suspicions of each other.? This can not be a one way street, but a two way street, and a True Federation under BBF is what will safeguard everyone and also keep Cyprus from being partitioned.!

I have no problem with what you are proposing,but the majority of the GCs will not accept anything less than a Unitary State with no special consideration for the TC sensitivities...You will need to convince them first...And if the past 50 years are any guide you have your work cut out for you...good luck!

[BirKibrisli]

All your rants are falling on deaf ears, you are well and truly screwed and you know it. You wanted ENOSIS instead you got FUCKED. Did it hurt? Does it still hurt? Will it keep hurting for ever and ever and eveeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr.

Let's see how long you'll play the Pasha in other people’s properties when you can't even afford to put a pair of knickers on your dirty arse!

Boudana!

The TRNC gave me 25 donums of prime land in Esentepe which I sold 3 yaers ago at the hight of the property boom. I pocketed 1.25 million Pound Sterling and am doing very well thank you. This kind of money buys me many knickers and suits. I'd lile to thank my Greek neighbour for this opportunity. Next time you try anything silly you may lose the lot and I may get myself another 40-50 donums so behave.

Noted. You and your friend bir kibrisli must be very happy indeed.

No I am not happy...My Mum has 22 donums left behind in Paphos for which she has received nothing so far...I will be happy if she lives long enough to see natural justice done...She is 90 years old now,so I don't like her chances...If she doesnt see that day,i will hold you personally responsible,Gregory...You better watch out...

Is your mums land on the beach by any chance?? An associate of mind would be interested. He can also organised getting it out of the guardianship for you to sell on.. What do you say??

No,it is in the mountains...And I do not believe in piecemeal solutions...My Mum can wait till there is a comprehensive solution and ALL refugees can get compensation...If she dies while she is waiting, like tens of thousands of other Cypriots before her,so be it...

Ah well, it was worth a try. Hope you get it sorted. If its any consolation, my Gfather already passed away, never to see it sorted.

It is no consolation,B25,it is a tragedy...I am truly sorry for your grandfather's loss...I know and can feel his pain,I see it often in my Mum...

[lovernomore]

Very sad indeed. I wonder how many more grandmothers and grandfathers will die before we have peace on the island.

[ZoC]

Very sad indeed. I wonder how many more grandmothers and grandfathers will die before we have peace on the island.

depends wot u mean by 'peace'. mr lover lover.