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[cannedmoose]

Nice moose, but what threat do they face??No threat=no violence

I agree. The only threat to Iceland is overfishing...

You do find that in countries threatened by forces within or without that human rights are curtailed, so I'm not surprised at Turkey's pretty woeful record as there are numerous threats within and outside the country. However, that shouldn't excuse some of the brutality that does take place.

[Turkey (( *]

Of course it is not an excuse, and it should be improved!!But usage of human rights against Turkey is not right!!

[cannedmoose]

Of course it is not an excuse, and it should be improved!!But usage of human rights against Turkey is not right!!

Turkey ((* re, it's part of the Copenhagen Criteria that have applied to all recent and current applicant states. Therefore, if Turkey wants to join the EU, the human rights situation will have to change according to the EUs values. At some point in the future, I plan to write a paper on the disjuncture between Turkish values and those of the EU, pointing out the massive transition required by the Turkish state to accord with European norms. I think of any country, past and present that has desired to join the EU, Turkey will face the toughest task. The EU has evolved from a mere free-trade zone in which domestic politics was the preserve of the individual states, to a Union in which the member states have the right to criticise and seek amendment to practices in other countries. If the UK had not joined the Union when it was a mere talking shop, I think if we were in the position of applying today, we probably would look elsewhere as it does involve pooling your nation's sovereignty and for large and powerful states used to 'doing their own thing', such a sacrifice will come hard. This is the dilemma that Turkey faces today. Two choices, one to seek EU membership at all costs, which will mean a transformation of the state from its Kemalist modern form to a more post-modernist structure, or to turn its back on Europe and seek partnership elsewhere. The problem lies in that the EU is Turkey's most reliable prospective economic and political partner, so to turn their back on that would risk all the economic gains that have been secured in recent years. If Turkey is regarded by the global financial markets as potentially unstable, capital will flee the country immediately and as a result, stability and order could be threatened. If this happens in concert with the collapse of the Erdogan government, a likely consequence if EU talks failed, Turkey could find itself in some trouble.

[Turkey (( *]

Ok, about all the trouble and Turkey changing but the EU will not take us, it will make new reasons, that is what I am saying.

[cannedmoose]

Ok, about all the trouble and Turkey changing but the EU will not take us, it will make new reasons, that is what I am saying.

The accession process is undertaken with the knowledge that the decision whether to accept a country is taken by the member states of the EU alone. If at the end of the process, any state deems that Turkey is not ready to join, OR if the Commission does not feel the EU is ready to absorb Turkey, accession will not take place. For those reasons, I understand your reticence, it's likely that Turkey will close all the chapters, yet ultimately have to wait a few more years before the EU has reformed itself to the point where it is able to accept her into the Union.

[Murtaza]

another thing, all of them are not for EU, some of them will benefit us.

[Turkey (( *]

Well I don't really care if we go in or not but I however think that it is better if we don't join.It will be good for Turkey and EU.

[Murtaza]

Not exactly,If we are not inside of EU, EU would be our adversary. I have not much good feeling for their aim specially at cyprus and PKK.

[cannedmoose]

Not exactly,If we are not inside of EU, EU would be our adversary. I have not much good feeling for their aim specially at cyprus and PKK.

I don't know if we'd be your 'adversary', it would be in both our interests to have an economic relationship certainly - both in terms of trade and tourism upon which Turkey increasingly relies. Alienation wouldn't be in anyone's interests. However, I think Turkey would begin to come under sustained pressure on issues such as the Aegean, Cyprus and human rights, all of which the EU will have a special interest in.

[Murtaza]

Not exactly,If we are not inside of EU, EU would be our adversary. I have not much good feeling for their aim specially at cyprus and PKK.

I don't know if we'd be your 'adversary', it would be in both our interests to have an economic relationship certainly - both in terms of trade and tourism upon which Turkey increasingly relies. Alienation wouldn't be in anyone's interests. However, I think Turkey would begin to come under sustained pressure on issues such as the Aegean, Cyprus and human rights, all of which the EU will have a special interest in.

Well,this mean we are adversary(Not for brits):)

Both of we know, national security is more important than trade and I dont think trade will be effected much.