”…this is the beginning of the end of the Euro , the Euro was built in a time of high expectations , it was a time of economic euphoria , as though growth will never end , and growth does end …, this is more than a domino effect in Europe , this is a global economic crisis and nothing is changed since the crisis begun in 2007 other than the central banks dumping trillion of dollars and trying to save a failing system , you cannot have a currency that’s gonna cover all the basis of all the economies equally , you look at Ireland the biggest problem right now in today’s news next week it might be Spain what we are seeing the begining of is going to be currency wars and trade wars , and when you equal trade wars plus currency wars you start looking at real wars , it happened before and it’s unfolding in front of us again , we see Italy we can see Portugal Spain Greece , the small countries opting out of the Euro ..look everybody that’s alive today that remembers when the Euro came on back in the late nineties and the early two thousand is how inflation sky rocketed in those countries this is a scheme that could have never worked from the beginning , we said it wouldn’t work when it happened ….”
http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=9985
... and this is the end of the dreams built upon the EU...
This is the beginning of the end of the Euro
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This is the beginning of the end of the Euro
by insan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:05 am
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by insan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:20 am
The spreads on Irish sovereign debt widened, and the Germans are pressing them to accept a bailout—despite the fact that the Irish government is fully funded until the middle of 2011. But it’s not the Irish fiscal situation that the bond markets or the Germans are worried about—it’s the Irish banking sector that is freaking everyone out.
After all, the Irish government fully—and very foolishly—backed the insolvent Irish banks back in 2008. And for unexplained reasons, the Irish government is committed to honoring Irish bank bonds fully—which the country simply cannot afford. However, German banks are heavily exposed to Irish banks, which explains why Berlin is so eager to have Ireland accept a bailout.
Right now, European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank officials are meeting with Irish representatives, putting together a bail-out package. The reason the Irish are so leery, of course, is that any bail-out would be accompanied by very severe austerity measures: In other words, the Irish people would suffer the consequences of shoring up the Irish banks—which is the same as saying the Irish people would suffer austerity measures in order to keep German banks from suffering losses. Also, the EU/IMF/ECB bail-out would probably also cost the Irish their precious 12.5% corporate tax rate—a key magnet for bringing capital to the Emerald Isle.
Add to the Irish worry, Greece is once again wearing a bright red conical dunce cap: They’ve been shown up to have lied again about their fiscal situation. Three guesses what they lied about: If you guessed Greek deficit, you win—yesterday, the Greek government officially revised its deficit figures: 15.4% for 2009, and 9.4% for 2010 (as opposed to an original 7.8% projection). Odds are good that these figures will be revised—for the worse—soon enough: Nobody believes anything other than Greece is insolvent.
That’s what’s going on this morning—and as a reaction, the dollar (if you can believe it) is roaring back alive: As I write (noon EST), the Euro is at $1.3511, the Pound at $1.5870, gold down to $1,333 an ounce, silver $25.05 an ounce; the dollar is up ¥83.45.
There was no specific reason why things took a turn for the worse today—but this downturn of sentiment has been having a cascading/contagion effect through the rest of Europe:
As a result of the Irish not taking the EU bail-out, Portugal’s debt started to tumble—which has everyone worried. Portugal is looking an awful lot like Greece did five-six months ago: It’s debt spread over the German benchmark is 6.5%, and climbing. Even France’s debt yield spread widened against the German bund—it costs more to insure French debt than it costs to insure Chilean debt (I guess a good “Viva Chile!” would be in order?).
The reason the entire slate of Euro bonds are tumbling is because of Ireland—but the real worry is Spain.
If Ireland and then Portugal go down the tubes, then it would only be a matter of time before Spain is next—and Spain is far larger than Greece, Ireland and Portugal combined.
If Spain goes, then it’s curtains for the whole Eurozone, perhaps even for the European Union as a political entity.
So Germany, the EU, the IMF and the ECB all want to save Ireland as a firewall, against further bond market deterioration.
The problem is, the Irish don’t want to be saved.
Ireland isn’t the only country that doesn’t want the EU/IMF/ECB bail-out of the Irish to happen. Several other EU countries also do not want any more bail-outs, be it of Ireland or Greece or Portugal or anyone else:
Austria has just announced that it is withholding bailout funds to Greece, according to Reuters. The reason, as articulated by Austria’s Finance Minister, Josef Proell, is that they are sick and tired of Greece’s bullshit. He was much more polite, of course, but essentially this is what he said. So Athens won’t be getting any of Austria’s money until there has been “extensive debate”.
Now, the Greek bailout is to the tune of €30 billion—Austria’s end is a measely €190 million: Six tenths of 1% of the total package. But for the political impact of the Austrian government’s decision, their contribution to the bailout fund could be twenty or thirty times as large. More than one government, and more than one political party, is working on slogans along the lines of, “If the Austrians can do it, why can’t we?”
Finland is another country openly unwilling to play ball vis-à-vis bailouts: The Finns have made it clear today that they are unwilling to put pressure on Ireland to accept an EU bailout. Again according to Reuters, the Finns are opposed to bailing out Ireland because of an upcoming election, and popular opposition to more bail-outs. This makes sense, especially if you consider that Finland has been helping to bail out Iceland, and the Baltic countries, especially Latvia.
Now, of course, the bitching and moaning by small-fry Euro-nations in and of itself means nothing—except for two things:
One, the European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF) needs a unanimous vote to be activated to save Ireland, or anyone else. If (and that’s a big if) the Irish finally tap this funding source, undoubtedly the EFSF would pay up—but in order to get that unanimity, a lot of political favors would have to be doled out to recalcitrant members.
And two, Austria and Finland’s objections to an Irish bailout is the visible articulation of differences that are raging privately in Berlin and Paris, and every other capital of Eurozone countries. The debate is between bail-outs, and letting the chips fall where they may.
Which brings us to a key point: There is clearly political exhaustion setting in. All these efforts to save all these small countries—Greece, Ireland, Portugal, the Baltics, Iceland—is leaving the European political leadership exhausted, not to mention leaving them out of bullets, as it were.
That’s because all these bail-outs have come at tremendous political costs, among the constituents of the nations doing the bailing out. The Finnish example—where clear and present political danger keeps the politicians from helping in a bail out—is a harbinger of things to come for the rest of Europe’s political leadership.
But even without this political exhaustion, one has to stop and consider an obvious truth: Some countries are simply too large to bail out.
What happens when Spain finally gets into serious trouble? It’s not an if question anymore—not when Spain is running practically 20% unemployment, and a projected fiscal deficit this year of 9.3%, according to Bloomberg. Just like Greece, Ireland and Portugal, eventually, the bond markets will turn on Spanish debt—it’s only a matter of time.
What will the EU and the ECB do then? Bail out Spain? Good luck with that—that’ll be like trying to hoist an elephant out of a septic tank with nothing but a smile: It simply cannot be done. Spain’s simply too big.
I think that these measures the European leadership is trying to carry out are simply postponing the inevitable. And what’s inevitable is a crash of the peripheral members of the Eurozone—the PIIGS plus Belgium. Because even if the Irish are bailed out in the next day or two, in a few months time, we’ll have another round of panic, this time over Portugal. And by next summer, it is going to be Spain—inevitably.
If Ireland is not sorted out—which at this point is in fact highly likely—then the Euro-bond market might well crash in the near-term, bring down not just Irish debt, but Portuguese, Spanish and Italian debt as well. Maybe even French debt. And that would be curtains for the Eurozone—maybe even the European Union.
In my post just last week, The Tidal Forces Ripping Europe Apart, I argued that the stress of over-indebtedness coupled with an unwillingness to take haircuts and restructure the sovereign debt would rip the European Union apart.
I argued this would happen—I just didn’t think it would happen so soon . . .
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/11 ... -than.html
After all, the Irish government fully—and very foolishly—backed the insolvent Irish banks back in 2008. And for unexplained reasons, the Irish government is committed to honoring Irish bank bonds fully—which the country simply cannot afford. However, German banks are heavily exposed to Irish banks, which explains why Berlin is so eager to have Ireland accept a bailout.
Right now, European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank officials are meeting with Irish representatives, putting together a bail-out package. The reason the Irish are so leery, of course, is that any bail-out would be accompanied by very severe austerity measures: In other words, the Irish people would suffer the consequences of shoring up the Irish banks—which is the same as saying the Irish people would suffer austerity measures in order to keep German banks from suffering losses. Also, the EU/IMF/ECB bail-out would probably also cost the Irish their precious 12.5% corporate tax rate—a key magnet for bringing capital to the Emerald Isle.
Add to the Irish worry, Greece is once again wearing a bright red conical dunce cap: They’ve been shown up to have lied again about their fiscal situation. Three guesses what they lied about: If you guessed Greek deficit, you win—yesterday, the Greek government officially revised its deficit figures: 15.4% for 2009, and 9.4% for 2010 (as opposed to an original 7.8% projection). Odds are good that these figures will be revised—for the worse—soon enough: Nobody believes anything other than Greece is insolvent.
That’s what’s going on this morning—and as a reaction, the dollar (if you can believe it) is roaring back alive: As I write (noon EST), the Euro is at $1.3511, the Pound at $1.5870, gold down to $1,333 an ounce, silver $25.05 an ounce; the dollar is up ¥83.45.
There was no specific reason why things took a turn for the worse today—but this downturn of sentiment has been having a cascading/contagion effect through the rest of Europe:
As a result of the Irish not taking the EU bail-out, Portugal’s debt started to tumble—which has everyone worried. Portugal is looking an awful lot like Greece did five-six months ago: It’s debt spread over the German benchmark is 6.5%, and climbing. Even France’s debt yield spread widened against the German bund—it costs more to insure French debt than it costs to insure Chilean debt (I guess a good “Viva Chile!” would be in order?).
The reason the entire slate of Euro bonds are tumbling is because of Ireland—but the real worry is Spain.
If Ireland and then Portugal go down the tubes, then it would only be a matter of time before Spain is next—and Spain is far larger than Greece, Ireland and Portugal combined.
If Spain goes, then it’s curtains for the whole Eurozone, perhaps even for the European Union as a political entity.
So Germany, the EU, the IMF and the ECB all want to save Ireland as a firewall, against further bond market deterioration.
The problem is, the Irish don’t want to be saved.
Ireland isn’t the only country that doesn’t want the EU/IMF/ECB bail-out of the Irish to happen. Several other EU countries also do not want any more bail-outs, be it of Ireland or Greece or Portugal or anyone else:
Austria has just announced that it is withholding bailout funds to Greece, according to Reuters. The reason, as articulated by Austria’s Finance Minister, Josef Proell, is that they are sick and tired of Greece’s bullshit. He was much more polite, of course, but essentially this is what he said. So Athens won’t be getting any of Austria’s money until there has been “extensive debate”.
Now, the Greek bailout is to the tune of €30 billion—Austria’s end is a measely €190 million: Six tenths of 1% of the total package. But for the political impact of the Austrian government’s decision, their contribution to the bailout fund could be twenty or thirty times as large. More than one government, and more than one political party, is working on slogans along the lines of, “If the Austrians can do it, why can’t we?”
Finland is another country openly unwilling to play ball vis-à-vis bailouts: The Finns have made it clear today that they are unwilling to put pressure on Ireland to accept an EU bailout. Again according to Reuters, the Finns are opposed to bailing out Ireland because of an upcoming election, and popular opposition to more bail-outs. This makes sense, especially if you consider that Finland has been helping to bail out Iceland, and the Baltic countries, especially Latvia.
Now, of course, the bitching and moaning by small-fry Euro-nations in and of itself means nothing—except for two things:
One, the European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF) needs a unanimous vote to be activated to save Ireland, or anyone else. If (and that’s a big if) the Irish finally tap this funding source, undoubtedly the EFSF would pay up—but in order to get that unanimity, a lot of political favors would have to be doled out to recalcitrant members.
And two, Austria and Finland’s objections to an Irish bailout is the visible articulation of differences that are raging privately in Berlin and Paris, and every other capital of Eurozone countries. The debate is between bail-outs, and letting the chips fall where they may.
Which brings us to a key point: There is clearly political exhaustion setting in. All these efforts to save all these small countries—Greece, Ireland, Portugal, the Baltics, Iceland—is leaving the European political leadership exhausted, not to mention leaving them out of bullets, as it were.
That’s because all these bail-outs have come at tremendous political costs, among the constituents of the nations doing the bailing out. The Finnish example—where clear and present political danger keeps the politicians from helping in a bail out—is a harbinger of things to come for the rest of Europe’s political leadership.
But even without this political exhaustion, one has to stop and consider an obvious truth: Some countries are simply too large to bail out.
What happens when Spain finally gets into serious trouble? It’s not an if question anymore—not when Spain is running practically 20% unemployment, and a projected fiscal deficit this year of 9.3%, according to Bloomberg. Just like Greece, Ireland and Portugal, eventually, the bond markets will turn on Spanish debt—it’s only a matter of time.
What will the EU and the ECB do then? Bail out Spain? Good luck with that—that’ll be like trying to hoist an elephant out of a septic tank with nothing but a smile: It simply cannot be done. Spain’s simply too big.
I think that these measures the European leadership is trying to carry out are simply postponing the inevitable. And what’s inevitable is a crash of the peripheral members of the Eurozone—the PIIGS plus Belgium. Because even if the Irish are bailed out in the next day or two, in a few months time, we’ll have another round of panic, this time over Portugal. And by next summer, it is going to be Spain—inevitably.
If Ireland is not sorted out—which at this point is in fact highly likely—then the Euro-bond market might well crash in the near-term, bring down not just Irish debt, but Portuguese, Spanish and Italian debt as well. Maybe even French debt. And that would be curtains for the Eurozone—maybe even the European Union.
In my post just last week, The Tidal Forces Ripping Europe Apart, I argued that the stress of over-indebtedness coupled with an unwillingness to take haircuts and restructure the sovereign debt would rip the European Union apart.
I argued this would happen—I just didn’t think it would happen so soon . . .
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/11 ... -than.html
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Re: This is the beginning of the end of the Euro
by ZoC » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:30 am
insan wrote:”…this is the beginning of the end of the Euro , the Euro was built in a time of high expectations , it was a time of economic euphoria , as though growth will never end , and growth does end …, this is more than a domino effect in Europe , this is a global economic crisis and nothing is changed since the crisis begun in 2007 other than the central banks dumping trillion of dollars and trying to save a failing system , you cannot have a currency that’s gonna cover all the basis of all the economies equally , you look at Ireland the biggest problem right now in today’s news next week it might be Spain what we are seeing the begining of is going to be currency wars and trade wars , and when you equal trade wars plus currency wars you start looking at real wars , it happened before and it’s unfolding in front of us again , we see Italy we can see Portugal Spain Greece , the small countries opting out of the Euro ..look everybody that’s alive today that remembers when the Euro came on back in the late nineties and the early two thousand is how inflation sky rocketed in those countries this is a scheme that could have never worked from the beginning , we said it wouldn’t work when it happened ….”
http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=9985
... and this is the end of the dreams built upon the EU...
gerald celente is one of my current heroes. google him and watch his vids on youtube. the guy's a guru and a refreshing change to the fodder we're fed by mainstream media pundits. he says things as they are in that no nonsense way for which new yorkers are famed.
congrats, insan, for highlighting him...
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