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[ZoC]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

[repulsewarrior]

"i am the way"...

...what are we doing to suffer reason

the "peacemakers" Cyprus needs is us.

[Schnauzer]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

Such a nice observation ZoC and such a pity that we are not taught to appreciate the origins of many important words and expressions.

In modern language, ( English) a great deal of time is devoted by those who teach in focusing on 'Opposites' (a very small example) the widely accepted 'War and Peace' which you have referred to.

In ancient languages and within many others still in use today throughout the world, there are words and expressions which cannot be mouthed without creating deep emotional feelings within the orator.

Many such words have several 'Opposites' and it is in the failure to understand these, that much division between nations can occur.

Back to 'Peace' and your reference to 'Pax Romana'.

We were often in the past informed that the world was generally enjoying a peaceful period in our history (or such was the case prior to 9/11), the real reason for that period was simply because it was a 'Forced Peace' in that each nation feared the other's capability of retaliation.

In the light of current world conflicts, I do wonder if there is a word that can truly describe them (other than WAR which I am sure is incorrect).

Perhaps you may be able to suggest one.

[Oracle]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

Very interesting.

If you go further back than Latin, for the origin of "pax", you may find it has its roots from the Greek word παύω (cause to cease)

But, on to εἰρηνοποιοί. The first morpheme is indeed "peace" (related to the noisy Σειρήν) but the meaning best befitting the second morpheme is "cultivate" or sculpt (oποιοί) which is in keeping with adopting constructive habits, traditions and long term goals for maintaining and reaping peace. I think this is more suited to the meaning you wish to convey rather than the instantaneous and superficial "maker".

[ZoC]

"i am the way"...

...what are we doing to suffer reason

the "peacemakers" Cyprus needs is us.

sure, if they understand wot 'peace' really means.

[ZoC]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

Very interesting.

If you go further back than Latin, for the origin of "pax", you may find it has its roots from the Greek word παύω (cause to cease)

my point exactly... παύω means stop (being a nuisance) but it doesn't mean "peace" the way yeshua meant it but the way brits like jack straw mean it... well u can stick ur peace where the Son don't shine!

But, on to εἰρηνοποιοί. The first morpheme is indeed "peace" (related to the noisy Σειρήν) but the meaning best befitting the second morpheme is "cultivate" or sculpt (oποιοί) which is in keeping with adopting constructive habits, traditions and long term goals for maintaining and reaping peace. I think this is more suited to the meaning you wish to convey rather than the instantaneous and superficial "maker".

indeed... someone who cultivates real and lasting calmness and equilibrium... not someone who resentfully bends over and takes it 'cos someone bigger forces them to.

that's what yeshua meant by "peacemaker" BOF, gasman and all u other brits who think u can come here, with ur holier-than-thou-attitude, and teach us about dealing with diabolical invaders.

[ZoC]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

Such a nice observation ZoC and such a pity that we are not taught to appreciate the origins of many important words and expressions.

In modern language, ( English) a great deal of time is devoted by those who teach in focusing on 'Opposites' (a very small example) the widely accepted 'War and Peace' which you have referred to.

In ancient languages and within many others still in use today throughout the world, there are words and expressions which cannot be mouthed without creating deep emotional feelings within the orator.

Many such words have several 'Opposites' and it is in the failure to understand these, that much division between nations can occur.

Back to 'Peace' and your reference to 'Pax Romana'.

We were often in the past informed that the world was generally enjoying a peaceful period in our history (or such was the case prior to 9/11), the real reason for that period was simply because it was a 'Forced Peace' in that each nation feared the other's capability of retaliation.

In the light of current world conflicts, I do wonder if there is a word that can truly describe them (other than WAR which I am sure is incorrect).

Perhaps you may be able to suggest one.

thanks schnauzer... i think the term ur looking for is 'pax americana'.

but, like imperial rome before it, the american empire is collapsing before our very eyes... because the yanks and their british lapdogs never got wot 'peace' really meant.

let's hope, for the sake of humanity, the next empire figures out what εἰρηνοποιοί really means.

[bsharpish]

indeed they are blessed..... usually to live under the shield of someone large and horrible with (in no particular order) a -

Pointy stick
Club
Axe
Spear
Bow and Arrow
Gun
Cannon
Bigger Gun
Bigger Cannon
Bomb
Bigger Bomb
Warship
Tank
Plane
Atomic device

and so on, ad infinitum, until the aggresive,warlike,territorial upright simian ascends to a true higher state of being.

I'd really love someone to show me an age of enlightenment that wasn't built out of conflict, fear of conflict or at the end of a weapon.

[Get Real!]

I'd really love someone to show me an age of enlightenment that wasn't built out of conflict, fear of conflict or at the end of a weapon.

A Victorian vibrator kit with multiple attachments...

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[repulsewarrior]

CYPRUS (UNFICYP 1964 - present)



Tpr Joseph H. CAMPBELL
Royal Canadian Dragoons
31 July 1964 Lt Kenneth E. EDMONDS , CD
Canadian Intelligence Corps (att HQ, Nicosia)
25 Dec 1964 Rfn Perry J. HOARE
1st Btn Queen's Own Rifles of Canada
14 Aug 1965
Gdm Joseph J.P. CHARTIER
2nd Btn Canadian Guards
14 Mar 1966 Pte Joseph P.E. BERNARD
2nd Bn Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada
9 July 1966 Tpr Lennard W. NASS
8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's)
27 Sep 1966
Cpl Otto J. REDMOND
1st Btn Royal Canadian Regiment
10 Mar 1967 Cpl Kenneth A. SALMON
Canadian Provost Corps
24 Sep 1967 Pte John A. LERUE
2nd Btn Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada
9 Feb 1970
Pte Theodore J. HALL , CD
1 Btn Royal Canadian Regiment
31 July 1970 Cpl Perley C. ISENOR
3 Service Bn Logistics Branch
25 Oct 1970 MCpl Joseph R.M.J.P. LESSARD
2 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
1 Dec 1972
Capt Aloysius ROACH , CD
Logistics Branch (att 2 RCR)
17 Feb 1974 Tpr J.L.Gilbert PERRON
Canadian Airborne Regiment
6 Aug 1974 Tpr J.J.Claude BERGER
Canadian Airborne Regiment
10 Sep 1974
Capt Ian E. PATTEN , CD
Royal Canadian Regiment
1 Apr 1975 Pte S.J. KOHLMAN
1st Btn Royal Canadian Regiment
11 Apr 1975 Capt Kenneth C. CRAWFORD
Medical Branch (att 3 PPCLI)
20 Dec 1975
Pte D.R. KRIEGER
2 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
17 Aug 1976 Sgt (R) J.R.Andre DUPONT
Logistics Branch 8 Med Coy (att 12 RBC)
24 Apr 1977 MCpl J.D.G. McINNIS
3 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
30 Mar 1980
Pte J.R.E. ARCHAMBAULT
2 Bn Royal 22e Regiment (Van Doos)
30 Nov 1981 Pte A.J. PRINS
2 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
26 Sep 1982 Pte M.D. WILSON
2 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
22 Jan 1983
MCpl Mark MACRAE
C and E Branch - Airborne HQ (att Can Sig Unit)
6 Dec 1986 Pte Thomas J. TROTTIER
3 Bn Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
25 Apr 1988 Sgt Donald L. KLOSS
2nd Regt Royal Canadian Horse Artillery
8 Apr 1993

...peacemakers.