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[Gasman]

Great Britain is a geographical term - how quaint and very respectful lol!

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/britain/britain.htm

[Schnauzer]

Great Britain is a geographical term - how quaint and very Courteous lol!

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/britain/britain.htm

Hope you don't mind my slight alteration to your post (we have our reasons)

[Oracle]

Way back a long time ago (please note my yankee drawl) The US Cavalry favoured the use of a hand held 'Colt' single action pistol with a revolving cylinder capable of holding 6 shots.

By holding the trigger in the firing position it was possible to fire rapidly by cocking the hammer back in quick succession.

This weapon was referred to as 'The Peacemaker' and such a name suited the American military psyche admirably at the time of it's use from about 1870 onwards.

The name 'Peacemaker', really came into it's own on the 25th June 1876 when 'General George Armstrong Custer' made his infamous 'Last Stand' at the battle of 'Little Big Horn'.

He was last reported (although there is some doubt about the accuracy of the information, since there was no one left to make such a report) to be standing upright in the face of a mighty onslaught, rapidly firing his 'Peacemaker' in defiance at the Red Indian warriors who were intent upon his demise.

Many films have been made of this historic event, they invariably portray the action as an 'Heroic Battle' allowing the imaginations of the viewing audiences free license to interpret the spectacle however they wish.

Apart from the number of 'Soiled Trousers' at the scene, the only fact worth consideration AFTER the event, is that the 'Peacemaker' lived up to it's name.

There has been 'Peace' at the scene of the battle ever since, only the rustling of the grasses which waft at the base of those white markers which stand as stark reminders of what took place at 'Little Big Horn', ever disturb it.

This is what happens when you come home sozzled after a night out

"Sozzled" is the only way to face up to "Great Britain"

"Ah God Bless 'em, they are doing their best"

I hope no ageing Brit is too blind to notice the quotation marks around good ole "GB", and rise above themselves to googlefart ...

[ZoC]

Which one was really blessed? Jacob or Esau?

THE RETURN OF THE EDOMITES.
AND THEIR PROMINENT ROLE AGAINST JACOB
AS WORLD HISTORY ENTERS THE END TIME DRAMA.
There is no doubt that the scriptures indicate that Esau will come to prominence again in the end-time. - Gen.27:39-40 Will wild Edomites be used .....

(loads of utterly pointless drivel)

"Your blessing and dwelling shall all come from the fruitfulness of the earth and the dew of the heavens above. By your sword, (gun), you shall live and serve your brother, (i.e. serve Jacob, the cultured, shepherding, caring brother). But the time will come when you will grow restive, (a wild man), and break loose and you will tear his yoke from off your neck." -Gen.27:39&40.(Amplified Version + GWF amplified);

http://endtimepilgrim.org/redesau.htm

Making peace with genocidal Zionism...

μακάριοι οἱ εἰρηνοποιοί.

[insan]

Which one was really blessed? Jacob or Esau?

THE RETURN OF THE EDOMITES.
AND THEIR PROMINENT ROLE AGAINST JACOB
AS WORLD HISTORY ENTERS THE END TIME DRAMA.
There is no doubt that the scriptures indicate that Esau will come to prominence again in the end-time. - Gen.27:39-40 Will wild Edomites be used .....

(loads of utterly pointless drivel)

"Your blessing and dwelling shall all come from the fruitfulness of the earth and the dew of the heavens above. By your sword, (gun), you shall live and serve your brother, (i.e. serve Jacob, the cultured, shepherding, caring brother). But the time will come when you will grow restive, (a wild man), and break loose and you will tear his yoke from off your neck." -Gen.27:39&40.(Amplified Version + GWF amplified);

http://endtimepilgrim.org/redesau.htm

Making peace with genocidal Zionism...

μακάριοι οἱ εἰρηνοποιοί.

μακάριοι

[Cossie]

Way back a long time ago (please note my yankee drawl) The US Cavalry favoured the use of a hand held 'Colt' single action pistol with a revolving cylinder capable of holding 6 shots.

By holding the trigger in the firing position it was possible to fire rapidly by cocking the hammer back in quick succession.

This weapon was referred to as 'The Peacemaker' and such a name suited the American military psyche admirably at the time of it's use from about 1870 onwards.

The name 'Peacemaker', really came into it's own on the 25th June 1876 when 'General George Armstrong Custer' made his infamous 'Last Stand' at the battle of 'Little Big Horn'.

He was last reported (although there is some doubt since there was no one left to make such a report) to be standing upright in the face of a mighty onslaught, rapidly firing his 'Peacemaker' in defiance at the Red Indian warriors who were intent upon his demise.

Many films have been made of this historic event, they invariably portray the action as an 'Heroic Battle' allowing the imaginations of the viewing audiences free license to interpret the spectacle however they wish.

Apart from the number of 'Soiled Trousers' at the scene, the only fact worth consideration AFTER the event, is that the 'Peacemaker' lived up to it's name.

There has been 'Peace' at the scene of the battle ever since, only the rustling of the grasses which waft at the base of those white markers which stand as stark reminders of what took place at 'Little Big Horn', ever disturb it.

The Swiss use a Colt as well...for making cheese

[supporttheunderdog]

it's true some cathedrals do preach your version.



but how cheesy can u get?

Τύριε Eλέησον, Τύριε Eλέησον, Τύριε Eλέησον! [/quote]

Nice one, Oracle

[supporttheunderdog]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

I think you underestimate the meaning of the word "peace" in English,

don't come here, with your union jack flag, and patronize me about my understanding of the word "peace" in english. i eat the english for breakfast...

as a apart from the meaning derived from the latin Pax, Peace is also the word used as the translation of and to convey the meaning of Εἰρήνη,

that's the point i'm making. "peace" is inadequate for this because of the pax connotation absent from the original Εἰρήνη. perhaps the english speaking world missed yeshua's point. perhaps it got lost in translation.

so within English is used to describe "a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth" - this meaning was also contained in the old blessing "peace be upon you" and in the biblical phrase " the peace of God, which passeth all understanding" as translated from the Koine biblical texts.

not sure what ur getting at. i think you overestimate ur ability to make a cogent point.

Can't we have a peaceful discussion without resorting to racism and abuse?

The point I am making is that while the origin of the word might be the Latin word "Pax" the current meaning of the word Peace also includes that of the word "Εἰρήνη" - there is no other word in English which provides a closer match to Εἰρήνη

See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peace:

The meaning you ascribe to Εἰρήνη are found within the 6th to 9th definitions.


It is very much the feeling one can get looking at the scenery of the sort so well captured in the picture posted by Kafenes earlier today, as opposed to what one might experience in in a busy city center street, where they may be no conflict, suppressed or otherwise, but certainly no peace.


I therefore stand by my point.

[ZoC]

In English the word "peace" derives from the Latin root "pax", from where we get "pact", ie. an (uneasy?) compromise/treaty between two (opposing?) forces. "Pax Romana" meant Roman peace, where opponents were no longer able to resist Rome and had to live obediently under its rules and tax regime.

But the original Gospels were written in "Koine" not English. So when Yeshua said "blessed are the peace makers", the original text is "εἰρηνοποιοί" from the root word "εἰρηνη" ("irini").

But "irini" (as in the Aramaic "shalom") isn't simply an absence of war. It evokes a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth. You can see, this is far deeper than the "peace" evoked in English.

Cyprus doesn't need the type of peace makers Brits like BOF would like us to be. Cyprus needs more real "εἰρηνοποιοί". This is who Yeshua wished to bless. Discuss….

I think you underestimate the meaning of the word "peace" in English,

don't come here, with your union jack flag, and patronize me about my understanding of the word "peace" in english. i eat the english for breakfast...

as a apart from the meaning derived from the latin Pax, Peace is also the word used as the translation of and to convey the meaning of Εἰρήνη,

that's the point i'm making. "peace" is inadequate for this because of the pax connotation absent from the original Εἰρήνη. perhaps the english speaking world missed yeshua's point. perhaps it got lost in translation.

so within English is used to describe "a deep sense of calmness, equilibrium, tranquility, ease, of lasting contentment and warmth" - this meaning was also contained in the old blessing "peace be upon you" and in the biblical phrase " the peace of God, which passeth all understanding" as translated from the Koine biblical texts.

not sure what ur getting at. i think you overestimate ur ability to make a cogent point.

Can't we have a peaceful discussion without resorting to racism and abuse?

depends what you mean by "peaceful"... there are so many shades of meaning in english.

and i refute your baseless allegations. u were being patronizing - perhaps innocently so, the way the english often are - and i responded in kind to bring it to ur attention.

The point I am making is that while the origin of the word might be the Latin word "Pax" the current meaning of the word Peace also includes that of the word "Εἰρήνη" - there is no other word in English which provides a closer match to Εἰρήνη

See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peace:

The meaning you ascribe to Εἰρήνη are found within the 6th to 9th definitions.

Great... at number 6 and at number 9 in the english "peace" hit parade, yeshua's definition. but still at no 1 is "pax ottomana"... bend over, take it 'cos they're bigger than u and stop being such a nuisance.

It is very much the feeling one can get looking at the scenery of the sort so well captured in the picture posted by Kafenes earlier today, as opposed to what one might experience in in a busy city center street, where they may be no conflict, suppressed or otherwise, but certainly no peace.

I therefore stand by my point.

fine. but unfortunately it appears u've missed mine entirely. i hope other people of english origin are able to see it. i wouldn't want to tar u all with the same brush. that would be racist.

[supporttheunderdog]

Unable to stand criticism, Stonehead?

IMHO Your original post was racist in refering to the nationality of another Forum member, it was racist in refering to my ethnicity. Are these material to the debate? Yes if you are seeking to denigrate some because they are Brit or English.

No I have not missed your point. As you say "there are so many shades of meaning in English". That is mine. The dictionary order is not significant, but, in so far as concepts are capable of translation "Εἰρήνη" = "Peace".