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[Get Real!]

GR,

You manage to do it every time! You sem to have an infinite capacity to insult others with your racist clap-trap and then unilaterally declare the thread closed when you have had your say.

I agree. thread is closed. What could have been an interesting exchange of opinion has been reduced by The site Bully to a trading of racist insults.

So at least we agree on one thing this thread is dead.

Because I get bored easily with people’s incessant diarrhea! You see, bullshit artists like yourself who just go on and on with their philosophies and sophistries over mundane issues like “Do Brits moan?”, should be crucified on a fig tree and left to starve for wasting people’s valuable time when all along all that matters is FACTS & FIGURES!

ie:

Q. Are Brits infamous moaners?
A. Absolutely!
(See the many links I’ve posted for supporting evidence)

Q. Why do they do it?
A. Because they think they are better than others! (See the many links I’ve posted for supporting evidence)

So, I see it as my DUTY to swiftly wrap up such a stupid thread to save readers from losing any more of their brain cells listening to you… a typical British moaner! After all, for academic purposes threads should end with a CONCLUSION and that’s where I come in!

[Mr. T]

GR,

You manage to do it every time! You sem to have an infinite capacity to insult others with your racist clap-trap and then unilaterally declare the thread closed when you have had your say.

I agree. thread is closed. What could have been an interesting exchange of opinion has been reduced by The site Bully to a trading of racist insults.

So at least we agree on one thing this thread is dead.

With your well written, considered and factual arguments are you sure that you are on the correct forum?

Getting a response of the same standard is something you won't get very often.

[denizaksulu]

GR,

You manage to do it every time! You sem to have an infinite capacity to insult others with your racist clap-trap and then unilaterally declare the thread closed when you have had your say.

I agree. thread is closed. What could have been an interesting exchange of opinion has been reduced by The site Bully to a trading of racist insults.

So at least we agree on one thing this thread is dead.

Because I get bored easily with people’s incessant diarrhea! You see, bullshit artists like yourself who just go on and on with their philosophies and sophistries over mundane issues like “Do Brits moan?”, should be crucified on a fig tree and left to starve for wasting people’s valuable time when all along all that matters is FACTS & FIGURES!

ie:

Q. Are Brits infamous moaners?
A. Absolutely!
(See the many links I’ve posted for supporting evidence)

Q. Why do they do it?
A. Because they think they are better than others! (See the many links I’ve posted for supporting evidence)

So, I see it as my DUTY to swiftly wrap up such a stupid thread to save readers from losing any more of their brain cells listening to you… a typical British moaner! After all, for academic purposes threads should end with a CONCLUSION and that’s where I come in!

If you are so bored, why do you read these threads or why dont you do something useful, like tending to your garden. Your moans are worse than others.

[Talisker]

Actually, no, this thread ain't closed. I want to investigate this further.......

1. Cyprus and it's citizens are a unique society. Our way of life is given, that's the way we like it, don't want to change a single thing. Immigrants settling here MUST respect the Cypriot life style & customs as is. Just play along or leave, period.

So, there you have it folks, Cypriots (according to georgios100) don't want to change a single thing! Maybe in your head georgios100, but if you think a little bit about history you'll realise that you are fantasizing. Cypriot culture has been in constant evolution since man first set foot on the island - are you going to tell me that nothing has changed since Khirokitian times? It's constantly changing, whether it is due to full scale invasion, colonial rule and suppression, internet availability, TV, and also the fact Cypriots travel and live elsewhere and bring back different habits and customs. Do you really think Cypriot culture is the same for your generation as for your grandfathers? I don't think so..... And now that Cyprus is in the EU you have opened yourself up to further influence and change - you'd better get used to it - because the next generation are going to be aware of what is going on elsewhere, and want a piece of that action. Instead of kids playing outdoors all the time, the boys play-shooting each other with sticks and rat-a-tat sounds, they are sitting indoors and shooting each other on playstations, etc (same as elsewhere around the globe) and will be influenced by what they see in these games and elsewhere on the internet - the world is changing fast, and Cyprus will change (in its own way) too. Most Cypriot kids these days fluently speak English - even a generation or two ago this would not have been the norm.

What I realise is that there is a particularly anti-British feeling for some Cypriots - probably due to our colonialist past and the mess that resulted in the Turkish invasion, but Cypriots need to realise that a Brit settling in Cyprus as a free, individual EU citizen is not looking to be an imperialist!!!!! As Robin Hood said he couldn't imagine anything worse than Cyprus being a replica UK but with sunshine! However, as I have outlined, and Robin Hood has also added his thoughts on this too, Brits have their own peculiarities - a need to constantly examine and criticise, to 'moan' if that brings about improvement, and we do this all the time in the UK. The example Robin Hood gave of the sewage system, a simple solution to an issue that some people might not particularly like, coming from outside, in this case a Brit, is a perfectly reasonable. The anti-Brit stance of some Cypriots may be - if you don't like it leave, but if Brits, who are perfectly entitled these days to live in Cyprus, decide to do something about it, and the younger and more affluent generation of Cypriots realise that they too don't have to place used toilet paper in bins and then dispose of it, then you can guarantee in a generation this peculiarly Cypriot habit will change. Been to France recently? Compare the toilet experience there with how it was thirty years ago - the hole in the floor. These days the sitdown experience is the norm - do you think they conjured up that idea themselves? No, they borrowed it from elsewhere, and so this particular part of French culture changed too......

I'm realising now that this thread is showing that the issue is not with 'moaning' Brits (after all, we've admitted we're moaners, complainers - I don't need GR!'s genius 'research' - The Sun - come on GR!, you can do better than that - to tell me that! - and we've even given some reasons why we are 'moaners') but it is with sensitive Cypriots......and I guess the reasons for this are our entwined histories.

Hey, get the message guys, change can be good! Individual Brits emigrating to Cyprus will not and cannot impose change on you, but you will voluntarily succumb to ideas, habits, customs (the MacDonalds experience ) from outside, not necessarily from Brits. The more likely threat to your culture is from globalisation and legislation from that organisation you were so keen to join, the EU!

Oh, and by the way georgios100, I agree with the second part of your quoted text.......

[Piratis]

Piratis,

This thread stared with the observation that Brits were frequently attacked on this Forum for moaning. A description of us that I go along with. That opened what I said could be a worthwhile exchange of views and opinion. I predicted that the ‘Forum Rottweilers’ would take over and destroy any sensible discussion with the normal vitriol and inherent dislike some Cypriots have of the British. You, and others, have proved yourself worthy of my description.

Had I wished to go to a country where I had total disregard for my own welfare and that of my wife but went there with some crazy notion of doing my bit to improve things for the less fortunate, then I would have gone to Somalia, Afghanistan or even Pakistan! So your comment is merely fatuous and really not worthy of some body who is obviously intelligent. We won’t go into the ‘ageing population argument’ here, or the significant contribution the Brits make to the Cypriot economy, if you wish, start another thread. I would be happy to discuss it with you.

Arrogance? Guilty. Unfortunately when you have been in a ‘management’ position (as in being a colonial power) some traits do have the habit of becoming part of a national personality. It is difficult to discard that part of our character that says we are right, because in the past it has often, although not always, proved to be true. But humility is also one of our attributes. We do have the capacity to admit when we are, or have been wrong and apologise for it. So, give us a bit of credit, love us or hate us, we do have our good points and no race is perfect.

Just take a look at the thread and see who attacked whom first. You don't need to be Nostradamus to predict that if you attack others, those others will fight back.

About "humility" I didn't see any coming from you. Just arrogance

How much territory of Britain does Germany occupy today?

Now you have scored an own goal!!! In answer, quite simply, ALL OF IT . Check the history books. We are Anglo Saxons, i.e Anglo as in English and Saxon as in Saxony, now part of Germany. Our Royal family is of German origin and descent and only changed their name from the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the German family name to Windsor, in 1917 when we were at war with Germany. It didn’t look to good on the family tree and did nothing for national morale at the time, so they invented a new identity, which basically means they are still Germans. So, add to that the fact that we had another slight confrontation in the years between 1939 and 1945, and, going on your principals, we should still be at one another’s throats not comrades in arms fighting what is perceived as a common foe, as in Afghanistan. Again, the rights and wrongs of that are a separate argument. But it just shows that different nationalities have different thought patterns, presumably bought about by life’s experiences which could be described simply as ‘evolution’?

I assume you are jocking? Your history doesn't show that part of Germany is English (!!!), but that the English actually have Germanic routs.
Furthermore here we are talking about an invasion that happened 36 years ago, not ancient times. If we went that far back then we would claim most of Asia Minor.

I would however go on record of having great sympathy for the Palestinians and feel they have suffered great wrongs in the past and, unfortunately, still do. Again, another interesting topic and well worthy of discussion?

Pity that you don't show the same kind of sympathy for the Cypriots, even thought you live here, and instead you support the Turks.

You are obviously, as I said an intelligent man, but tend to use emotive rather than rational and factual thought processes. But I hold no ill feelings against any Cypriot either now or in our past history. It was all in the past, it is time to accept one another and move on into another stage of the evolutionary process.

I am both rational and factual. And the fact is that Turkey today illegally occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus, while parts of Cyprus are still under what in effect is British colonial rule. I hold no ill feelings against any British just because they are British (many nice British people in this forum), but there are some of you who excuse and support the Turkish occupation and such people are obviously not our friends.

[georgios100]

Actually, no, this thread ain't closed. I want to investigate this further.......

1. Cyprus and it's citizens are a unique society. Our way of life is given, that's the way we like it, don't want to change a single thing. Immigrants settling here MUST respect the Cypriot life style & customs as is. Just play along or leave, period.

So, there you have it folks, Cypriots (according to georgios100) don't want to change a single thing! Maybe in your head georgios100, but if you think a little bit about history you'll realise that you are fantasizing. Cypriot culture has been in constant evolution since man first set foot on the island - are you going to tell me that nothing has changed since Khirokitian times? It's constantly changing, whether it is due to full scale invasion, colonial rule and suppression, internet availability, TV, and also the fact Cypriots travel and live elsewhere and bring back different habits and customs. Do you really think Cypriot culture is the same for your generation as for your grandfathers? I don't think so..... And now that Cyprus is in the EU you have opened yourself up to further influence and change - you'd better get used to it - because the next generation are going to be aware of what is going on elsewhere, and want a piece of that action. Instead of kids playing outdoors all the time, the boys play-shooting each other with sticks and rat-a-tat sounds, they are sitting indoors and shooting each other on playstations, etc (same as elsewhere around the globe) and will be influenced by what they see in these games and elsewhere on the internet - the world is changing fast, and Cyprus will change (in its own way) too. Most Cypriot kids these days fluently speak English - even a generation or two ago this would not have been the norm.

What I realise is that there is a particularly anti-British feeling for some Cypriots - probably due to our colonialist past and the mess that resulted in the Turkish invasion, but Cypriots need to realise that a Brit settling in Cyprus as a free, individual EU citizen is not looking to be an imperialist!!!!! As Robin Hood said he couldn't imagine anything worse than Cyprus being a replica UK but with sunshine! However, as I have outlined, and Robin Hood has also added his thoughts on this too, Brits have their own peculiarities - a need to constantly examine and criticise, to 'moan' if that brings about improvement, and we do this all the time in the UK. The example Robin Hood gave of the sewage system, a simple solution to an issue that some people might not particularly like, coming from outside, in this case a Brit, is a perfectly reasonable. The anti-Brit stance of some Cypriots may be - if you don't like it leave, but if Brits, who are perfectly entitled these days to live in Cyprus, decide to do something about it, and the younger and more affluent generation of Cypriots realise that they too don't have to place used toilet paper in bins and then dispose of it, then you can guarantee in a generation this peculiarly Cypriot habit will change. Been to France recently? Compare the toilet experience there with how it was thirty years ago - the hole in the floor. These days the sitdown experience is the norm - do you think they conjured up that idea themselves? No, they borrowed it from elsewhere, and so this particular part of French culture changed too......

I'm realising now that this thread is showing that the issue is not with 'moaning' Brits (after all, we've admitted we're moaners, complainers - I don't need GR!'s genius 'research' - The Sun - come on GR!, you can do better than that - to tell me that! - and we've even given some reasons why we are 'moaners') but it is with sensitive Cypriots......and I guess the reasons for this are our entwined histories.

Hey, get the message guys, change can be good! Individual Brits emigrating to Cyprus will not and cannot impose change on you, but you will voluntarily succumb to ideas, habits, customs (the MacDonalds experience ) from outside, not necessarily from Brits. The more likely threat to your culture is from globalisation and legislation from that organisation you were so keen to join, the EU!

Oh, and by the way georgios100, I agree with the second part of your quoted text.......

Thanks for the looooong response Talisker.

You are obviously not a Cypriot. What I meant was that Cypriots as people are unique, regardless of the ongoing change of the landscape around them over the years. We have a way of doing things and we have a way of talking to each other. No foreigner can "blend in" and become true Cypriot. Not sure if you get my drift...

I never forget the colonial era as I was a witness to it. It was not pleasant nor entertaining, watching the British boots marching down the road in Famagusta during the fifties. Many of you never experience occupation and should refrain from supporting British soldiers stationed here. The ongoing SBA presence at my island is insulting and unacceptable, this day and age, to say the least.

The SBA status should be added as another chapter in the current Christofias-Eroglu talks, under the land-property issue.
It is clearly up to the 2 Cypriot communities if the SBA's should stay or clear off.

Like I said, British civilians are welcome to stay, nothing wrong about that.
Don't really care if the Brits moan or not. Cypriots practice their own moaning anyway...

[Talisker]

Actually, no, this thread ain't closed. I want to investigate this further.......

1. Cyprus and it's citizens are a unique society. Our way of life is given, that's the way we like it, don't want to change a single thing. Immigrants settling here MUST respect the Cypriot life style & customs as is. Just play along or leave, period.

So, there you have it folks, Cypriots (according to georgios100) don't want to change a single thing! Maybe in your head georgios100, but if you think a little bit about history you'll realise that you are fantasizing. Cypriot culture has been in constant evolution since man first set foot on the island - are you going to tell me that nothing has changed since Khirokitian times? It's constantly changing, whether it is due to full scale invasion, colonial rule and suppression, internet availability, TV, and also the fact Cypriots travel and live elsewhere and bring back different habits and customs. Do you really think Cypriot culture is the same for your generation as for your grandfathers? I don't think so..... And now that Cyprus is in the EU you have opened yourself up to further influence and change - you'd better get used to it - because the next generation are going to be aware of what is going on elsewhere, and want a piece of that action. Instead of kids playing outdoors all the time, the boys play-shooting each other with sticks and rat-a-tat sounds, they are sitting indoors and shooting each other on playstations, etc (same as elsewhere around the globe) and will be influenced by what they see in these games and elsewhere on the internet - the world is changing fast, and Cyprus will change (in its own way) too. Most Cypriot kids these days fluently speak English - even a generation or two ago this would not have been the norm.

What I realise is that there is a particularly anti-British feeling for some Cypriots - probably due to our colonialist past and the mess that resulted in the Turkish invasion, but Cypriots need to realise that a Brit settling in Cyprus as a free, individual EU citizen is not looking to be an imperialist!!!!! As Robin Hood said he couldn't imagine anything worse than Cyprus being a replica UK but with sunshine! However, as I have outlined, and Robin Hood has also added his thoughts on this too, Brits have their own peculiarities - a need to constantly examine and criticise, to 'moan' if that brings about improvement, and we do this all the time in the UK. The example Robin Hood gave of the sewage system, a simple solution to an issue that some people might not particularly like, coming from outside, in this case a Brit, is a perfectly reasonable. The anti-Brit stance of some Cypriots may be - if you don't like it leave, but if Brits, who are perfectly entitled these days to live in Cyprus, decide to do something about it, and the younger and more affluent generation of Cypriots realise that they too don't have to place used toilet paper in bins and then dispose of it, then you can guarantee in a generation this peculiarly Cypriot habit will change. Been to France recently? Compare the toilet experience there with how it was thirty years ago - the hole in the floor. These days the sitdown experience is the norm - do you think they conjured up that idea themselves? No, they borrowed it from elsewhere, and so this particular part of French culture changed too......

I'm realising now that this thread is showing that the issue is not with 'moaning' Brits (after all, we've admitted we're moaners, complainers - I don't need GR!'s genius 'research' - The Sun - come on GR!, you can do better than that - to tell me that! - and we've even given some reasons why we are 'moaners') but it is with sensitive Cypriots......and I guess the reasons for this are our entwined histories.

Hey, get the message guys, change can be good! Individual Brits emigrating to Cyprus will not and cannot impose change on you, but you will voluntarily succumb to ideas, habits, customs (the MacDonalds experience ) from outside, not necessarily from Brits. The more likely threat to your culture is from globalisation and legislation from that organisation you were so keen to join, the EU!

Oh, and by the way georgios100, I agree with the second part of your quoted text.......

Thanks for the looooong response Talisker.

You are obviously not a Cypriot. What I meant was that Cypriots as people are unique, regardless of the ongoing change of the landscape around them over the years. We have a way of doing things and we have a way of talking to each other. No foreigner can "blend in" and become true Cypriot. Not sure if you get my drift...

I never forget the colonial era as I was a witness to it. It was not pleasant nor entertaining, watching the British boots marching down the road in Famagusta during the fifties. Many of you never experience occupation and should refrain from supporting British soldiers stationed here. The ongoing SBA presence at my island is insulting and unacceptable, this day and age, to say the least.

The SBA status should be added as another chapter in the current Christofias-Eroglu talks, under the land-property issue.
It is clearly up to the 2 Cypriot communities if the SBA's should stay or clear off.

Like I said, British civilians are welcome to stay, nothing wrong about that.
Don't really care if the Brits moan or not. Cypriots practice their own moaning anyway...

You're right, I'm not Cypriot (obviously!), but just for the record I don't believe British armed forces should be stationed in Cyprus either.

[Gasman]

Cypriot President obviously does believe they should stay, or why would he have signed the recent MoU?

Why didn't he insist they leave?

How many Brits would give a toss if they stayed or left? Most don't even realise they are here - most never think about Cyprus at all, let alone the political ins and outs of it.

In fact, if it were brought to the attention of most Brits just how much it COSTS the UK to keep the SBAs here going, so the inmates can learn to ski, water ski, scuba dive and yacht at the expense of the British taxpayer, I think they would be crying out for them to leave.

Maybe a facebook campaign would do the trick?

[supporttheunderdog]

Cypriot President obviously does believe they should stay, or why would he have signed the recent MoU?

Why didn't he insist they leave?

How many Brits would give a toss if they stayed or left? Most don't even realise they are here - most never think about Cyprus at all, let alone the political ins and outs of it.

In fact, if it were brought to the attention of most Brits just how much it COSTS the UK to keep the SBAs here going, so the inmates can learn to ski, water ski, scuba dive and yacht at the expense of the British taxpayer, I think they would be crying out for them to leave.

Maybe a facebook campaign would do the trick?

As an observation, while Britain belives it has a major role to play in the world, an increasingly untenable idea with the recent massive cuts in the armed forces, and in particular while it still has an interest in what is happening in the Middle East/Afganistan, it will still want to retain the bases as a staging post and listening post. Once British troops leave Afganistan, that may well be the time the bases may go.

My one concren about the abolition of the SBA is whether it will thenm lead to massive and insensitive over development, in the WSBA area in particular: there is some really nice and relativvely unspoiled countryside in the from Episkopi village, round Curium, and Paramali /Avidhimou and it would be great shame if this area was wrecked by Hotels and houses, as has ahappened elsewhere, eg round Paphos and now in Eastern parts of the Island..

[Gasman]

Well it's apparently official, reported in kwality newspapers, that Britain is a country of moaners.

But it does refer to Britain, not the British! And as is so often pointed out on here, lots of people who live in Britain are not British!

So I agree, people who LIVE in Britain are the worst moaners in the world.

I don't live there but some of the biggest moaners on this forum do.

It's living there that makes 'em like that. They should move to Cyprus and lighten up.