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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:40 pm

B25 wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Mr Talat is braver than I thought with his 'stance' on the Ergenekon issue. :?


Deniz, we have no time to change agenda of the country.....

agenda is the negotiations DENIZ......let the judiciary to solve it....

Eroğlu, Talat and all the parties should endeavor only for the solution of the Cyprus problem....Time is running out.... before it is to late.....

i bet below news will be more intersting for u than ergenekon....

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/201 ... ury-homes/


:lol: :lol: :lol: Man you are so full of crap. One minute you go on about time running out, must find a solution, must live in peace and with the same breath, you shit stir about some TC land being used in the south. Jesus, the cheeek. You hold 37% of the country to ransom and you have the nerve to go on about some small peice if land allegedly the GCs used. FFS.

You really have earned your name, CHIEF SHIT STIRRER. Why not keep it for you saturday morning coffee mornings, with the morons that like to hear you. Asshole!


Someone ought to remind B25 that the GCs are holding 100% of the ROC state power to ransom!!! There is only one person here who truly deserves the title of
Chief Shit Stirrer
and that is none other than yourself,sir!

Enjoy it while it lasts,soon there won't be any 'shit' to stir! We will all be permanently constipated... :)
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Postby insan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:01 am

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Me Ed wrote:Eroglu just does as he is told.


Yes. But who is telling him what to do? Erdogan or Ergenekon?


Maybe someone else? The third one? :lol:

A 'rabbi' in the underground
Over the past decade, the Turkish media has publicized criminal scandals involving police, army and intelligence services' members, creating the feeling that two or even three parallel governments are operating in the country.
By Zvi Bar'el


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/fe ... d-1.259481


Guney is also suspected of acting as an agent for Mossad, as well as the CIA. His presence in North Jersey, a “hot zone” for Israeli intelligence “false flag” operations before and during the 9/11 attacks, points to a possible Turkish connection to the attacks.

On August 7, 2005, WMR reported on details of the apprehension of the Israelis for their false flag actions: “Jersey City was a major base of operations for the 1993 World Trade Center attack. The Ryder van used in that attack was rented from a Jersey City rental agency . . . there was a call placed to the Jersey City Police Department that claimed ‘Palestinians’ in Arab clothes were seen celebrating the attacks. Although the Jersey City Police discovered their 911 system tapes on September 11, 2001 disappeared from their servers and achives after ISI [of Mount Laurel, NJ] took over the contract, some tapes implicating “Arabs” found their way into the hands of WNBC-TV in New York in June 2002. WNBC played transcripts of 911 calls from the Jersey City Police:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There’s a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He’s dressed like an Arab.

“It is clear that the Jersey City Police Department’s 911 call tapes were manipulated to delete any calls that might implicate the Israelis. The one call provided to WNBC was clearly an attempt at a ‘false flag” operation implicating ‘Palestinians’ wearing ‘sheik uniforms’ as the culprits in at least one of the white vans driven by Israeli ‘movers’ on the morning of September 11. After the van was traced to the Israeli moving company, the BOLO [Be On Look Out for message] went out for the arrest of the vehicle’s driver and passengers. An East Rutherford policeman directing traffic away from the closed Lincoln Tunnel on Route 3 East noticed the van was driving slowly on the service road towards the tunnel. The tag of the vehicle was only off by one letter from what was contained in the BOLO (JRJ 13Y) and the front New Jersey plate had been removed. It is very possible that to confuse the police, the Israelis were using NJ plate JRJ 13Y as the rear tag on two white vans - the one sighted in Liberty State Park and the other in Maria’s apartment building parking lot. In fact, local police reported a number of white van sightings during September 11, with a number of them phoned into the police. Maria told ABC News she phoned tag number JRJ 13Y to the Jersey City Police after seeing the Israelis driving in a white van celebrating the first plane’s impact, while Liberty State Park witnesses said the same tag number -- JRJ 13Y -- had been passed to the police and FBI after a white van with ‘celebrating Arabs’ had been chased from the park by the park’s chief ranger after the first plane impact.[11] It was clear that officials of New Jersey’s Department of Environmental Protection in Trenton, which has authority over the state’s parks, ordered Liberty State Park officials not to talk to the media about September 11 and the Israeli van.”

The man who then New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey placed in charge of his liaison to New Jersey’s security and law enforcement agencies, Golan Cipel, later was allegedly identified by U.S. intelligence as a gay “honey trap” Mossad officer tasked with entrapping and blackmailing McGreevey. McGreevey resigned as governor after details of the homosexual affair became public.

Ergenekon has been accused of carrying out terrorist attacks and assassinations in Turkey as “false flag” operations to discredit, undermine, and eventually overthrow Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (AKP) government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Former FBI Turkish and Persian translator Sibel Edmonds told the Sunday Times of London earlier this year that her translations of wiretaps of Turkish, Iranian, Israeli, and American individuals pointed to Turkish training for the 9/11 hijack ring. Edmonds said that an “Al Qaeda” leader, a Syrian named Louai al-Sakka, had trained 9/11 hijackers at a military base in Turkey, under the watchful eyes of the Turkish military, which we now know was riddled with Ergenekon agents up and down the chain-of-command, four star generals to non-commissioned officers. Al-Sakka was convicted in 2007 for his role in a series of 2003 bombings in Istanbul that targeted the British Consulate, two HSBC bank branches, and two synagogues and his now serving a life prison sentence. The Turkish ring may have been involved or known about several beheadings of Western prisoners in Iraq that were blamed on “Al Qaeda.”

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA station chief in Istanbul, wrote the following in the Dallas Morning News: “Sibel Edmonds makes a number of accusations about specific criminal behavior that appear to be extraordinary but are credible enough to warrant official investigation.”

Coupling the Turkish official investigation of Ergenekon with Edmonds’ information, there is more than a smoking gun pointing to 9/11 as a “false flag” operation involving Turkish, Israeli, and U.S. intelligence operatives. The Saudi and Pakistani financial connection to the 9/11 hijackers and the “false flag” operation has already been well-documented.


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 4112.shtml

So... Oracle... do u have any ideas from whom Eroglu recieving the orders? :lol:

IMPROVING CYPRUS-Israel relations is a “win-win situation” for both countries, said Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman from Nicosia yesterday.

Speaking after a one-hour meeting with his Cypriot counterpart, Marcos Kyprianou, Liberman said the increased frequency of visits and meetings between Israeli and Cypriot ministers was “a sign of very stable and very good relations”.

Regarding the Cyprus government’s condemnation of the recent killing of four Israeli citizens in Hebron, the Israeli diplomat said: “We really appreciate your very clear message and stand regarding terrorist attacks on innocent citizens and Israel and this attempt to torpedo the (peace) talks and any attempts to resolve our conflict.”

The two ministers discussed regional cooperation, economic issues, the Middle East peace process, the Cyprus problem, Israel-EU relations and the Greek and Cypriot governments’ proposal for sending aid to Gaza,

“We think that both countries can really see a benefit from our close cooperation. It’s really a win-win situation and we will use all possibilities to improve and strengthen our bilateral relations,” said Liberman.

Kyprianou agreed, noting the two countries already enjoyed a “broad spectrum of cooperation” but that they were “looking for new areas to develop these relations even further”.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/liber ... n/20100904

:lol: A win-win situation, eh?
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Postby insan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:26 pm

The British Imperial Roots of the Young Turks

EIR has documented the British imperialist roots of the Young Turks in many articles. (See, for example, Joseph Brewda, "Palmerston Launches Young Turks to Permanently Control Middle East," April 15, 1994). Here we will give only a thumbnail sketch.

The Young Turks were part a stable of fascist movements inspired by British agent Giuseppe Mazzini, including Young Europe, Young Italy, Young Germany, and so on, which were created to subvert and take over the Ottoman Empire on behalf of the European imperialists, led by Great Britain, and including France, Italy, and Russia. The CUP was founded in 1906, in the Greek city of Salonika, and then within the Ottoman Empire, under the direction of Emmanuel Carasso, an Italian official of the B'nai B'rith. Carasso was also grand master of the Italian freemasonic lodge in Salonika called Macedonia Resurrected, which provided the headquarters of the Young Turks. By 1907, leading Young Turk Mehmed Talaat, became grand master of the Scottish Rite Masons in the Ottoman Empire.

Carasso also played a leading role in the Young Turks' overthrow of the Sultan Abdul Hamid II in 1908, which paved the way for the CUP takeover of the administration of the Ottoman Empire, which the CUP ruled until 1918.

Through the Young Turks, the British gamemasters transmitted various false ideologies, including Pan Turkism, Pan Islamism, and even Zionism, as attested by the fact that Vladimir Jabotinsky was a member. Jabotinsky was the leader of the nationalist wing of Zionism and the spiritual guide of the Israeli right-wing Likud Party, particularly its chairman Benjamin Netanyahu. In fact, Jabotinsky was the editor of the CUP's Young Turk newspaper.

During this period, the CUP was responsible for the disasters outlined by Dr. Acar.

After the Committee of Union and Progress destroyed the Ottoman Empire from within, the British, who had imprisoned many of its members on the island of Malta after 1918, on charges of war crimes, released CUP members to subvert the nation-building vision of Mustafa Kemal, known as Ataturk. For instance, Adil Bey, a leading CUP member and former interior minister in the Ottoman government, was given £150,000 by the British, who returned him to Constantinople to form the "Society of the Friends of England." This group lobbied openly for the protection of the British, while secretly organizing provocations throughout the country in an effort to discredit the nationalist movement and provoke an Allied intervention.

Mustafa Kemal was never forgiven by the British for sabotaging their plans to dismember Turkey as part of the Sykes-Picot scheme, which was drafted by England and France in 1916, to divide up the Ottoman Empire as the "spoils of war." Britain won control of Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine, while France received control of Syria and Lebanon.

While acknowledging Turkey's loss of these Arab provinces, Ataturk led a struggle between 1919 and 1923, to create a new Turkish state whose sovereignty and independence would be recognized by the world.

At first, Ataturk, who was keen on establishing a Western-style republic, allowed the CUP's return on the condition it pledged loyalty to the new government. Initially, Ataturk encouraged the CUP to take up the role of the official opposition, only to find in 1926, that the Committee was plotting his assassination. CUP members have been deeply embedded in the Turkish political and economic circles, and the military and security forces ever since. A careful examination of the three Turkish military coups that have occurred since 1960, will reveal in many cases first-, second-, and even third-generation members of the CUP.

Today's Ergenekon also has links to the Committee.
Ergenekon in the Image of the CUP

According to press reports, the indictment identifies the Ergenekon as a cult-like organization based on the so-called central Asian "Agarta" myth, a supposedly 600-year-old legend describing the roots of the Turkish people. Far from being six centuries old, Agarta, or Argharta, is a synthetic myth created at the end of the 19th Century by Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre, a Martinist freemason, who later became one of the godfathers of the European Synarchy which formed the basis of the French fascist movement of the 1930s, and the spiritual basis for today's neoconservatives.[3]

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2008/3 ... nekon.html
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Postby Oracle » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:40 pm

Insan, please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish". If you were all to disappear tomorrow and your mess wiped clean away; I couldn't be happier nor wish for a better and brighter future for mankind. My reasons for ever mentioning "Turk/Turkish/Turkey", are intricately woven with the desire stated as, "Turks out of Cyprus". Once you go, you can RIP!

I hope that is perfectly clear and that you stop in your tracks, right now, from your habit of cutting&posting, ad infinitum, every junk Googlefart ever presented/made-up about "Turks"!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:04 pm

insan wrote:The British Imperial Roots of the Young Turks

:shock: Insan, hasn't had any breakfast again... :lol:
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Postby insan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:19 pm

Oracle wrote:Insan, please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish". If you were all to disappear tomorrow and your mess wiped clean away; I couldn't be happier nor wish for a better and brighter future for mankind. My reasons for ever mentioning "Turk/Turkish/Turkey", are intricately woven with the desire stated as, "Turks out of Cyprus". Once you go, you can RIP!

I hope that is perfectly clear and that you stop in your tracks, right now, from your habit of cutting&posting, ad infinitum, every junk Googlefart ever presented/made-up about "Turks"!


You may hate some Turks but hating all Turks or hating any nation as a whole can be considered as one of the most primitive and uncivilised human behaviour...

Do you have to read about Turks and then reply with your usual nonsense? Have i ever pmed u anything about Turks? So why do u think what I've posted on a public forum intended for u to read?
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Postby insan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:22 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:The British Imperial Roots of the Young Turks

:shock: Insan, hasn't had any breakfast again... :lol:


... and you have still been living with the superficial "facts" and myths created by your "elders". :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:59 pm

Oracle wrote:Insan, please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish". If you were all to disappear tomorrow and your mess wiped clean away; I couldn't be happier nor wish for a better and brighter future for mankind. My reasons for ever mentioning "Turk/Turkish/Turkey", are intricately woven with the desire stated as, "Turks out of Cyprus". Once you go, you can RIP!

I hope that is perfectly clear and that you stop in your tracks, right now, from your habit of cutting&posting, ad infinitum, every junk Googlefart ever presented/made-up about "Turks"!


I think you should be eternally grateful for the existence of the Turkish nation and the Turkish Cypriot community....without us you would be a neglected province of Greece, a debt ridden and bankrupt country of no importance ,relevance or consequence whatsoever... :wink:

I will be visiting Cyprus next summer to accept,on behalf of the entire TC community, your gratitude and congratulations! Please don't forget to bring a bottle of the best Cyprus Brandy!! See you at Ledra Palace in June 2011... :)
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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:10 pm

Oracle wrote:Insan, please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish". If you were all to disappear tomorrow and your mess wiped clean away; I couldn't be happier nor wish for a better and brighter future for mankind. My reasons for ever mentioning "Turk/Turkish/Turkey", are intricately woven with the desire stated as, "Turks out of Cyprus". Once you go, you can RIP!

I hope that is perfectly clear and that you stop in your tracks, right now, from your habit of cutting&posting, ad infinitum, every junk Googlefart ever presented/made-up about "Turks"!


right back at you, you heartless, twisted, demented, frustrated (no man love) cow.
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Postby Gregory » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:19 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:Insan, please do not mistake me for someone who cares in any way whatsoever about Turkey, Turkish history, Turkish people, Turkish culture, Turkish politics or Turkish dreams. Zilch. I am interested in everything, except anything "Turkish". If you were all to disappear tomorrow and your mess wiped clean away; I couldn't be happier nor wish for a better and brighter future for mankind. My reasons for ever mentioning "Turk/Turkish/Turkey", are intricately woven with the desire stated as, "Turks out of Cyprus". Once you go, you can RIP!

I hope that is perfectly clear and that you stop in your tracks, right now, from your habit of cutting&posting, ad infinitum, every junk Googlefart ever presented/made-up about "Turks"!


I think you should be eternally grateful for the existence of the Turkish nation and the Turkish Cypriot community....without us you would be a neglected province of Greece, a debt ridden and bankrupt country of no importance ,relevance or consequence whatsoever... :wink:

I will be visiting Cyprus next summer to accept,on behalf of the entire TC community, your gratitude and congratulations! Please don't forget to bring a bottle of the best Cyprus Brandy!! See you at Ledra Palace in June 2011... :)


I don't think so, Greece would have probably grabbed on the opportunity to treat Cyprus like the channel islands. That in connection to the Cypriot mentality of service orientated education would have potentially made Cyprus into a European Union financial centre earlier.
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