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[Kikapu]

Kikapu you are so arrogant in your responses to Bir that you think you know better than him what he experienced, but that is how you are you think your rights according to you should be forced upon and accepted by everyone, well weve got news for you it dont work that way.

You are not qualified to speak about past experiences of TCs from the dark days, because you don't have any. Bir and I can, along with few more TCs here at the CF, but you cannot, so now, beat it.!

As for the Turkification issue and jobs going to new generation TCs that how we will develop into over a million strong we have to use all means possible to not becoming a minority in a GC state, if it means returning back to our Turkish roots then so be it.

There are no "new generation" TCs. They are Illegal Aliens and they will need to go back to their "roots" when ever Turkey decides to become a EU member.

You should forget about becoming a minority in a GC state and start worrying about surviving in the Turkish state. The settlers do not want you. How many times do I need to tell you, that the TCs to the Turks are nothing but uncultured peasants who happen to speak bastardized Turkish language, that's all. That's why they are slowly but surely taking all the well paid jobs away from you, and why not, Turkey is paying the bill, so they want to pay it to their own people, and not the TCs. Wait until they demand and get 50% and more of the "trnc's ministers" jobs to be Turks. The TCs are on a downward spiral of being pushed aside in the north in every way possible. Your "roots" does not want you as equals. You will eventually become just like what the Kurds are to the Turks.....Mountain Turks.!

[All4114All]

yes there is but vp is going to now say we would rather be turkified and be a minority to turks then live with you gcs thats how bad gcs tried to kill them and scared them

well done palio you are learning we do not fear Turkification because we are. Turkish in origin, this is much preferred to being forced into minority status in a GC state.

Then why is Turkey replacing you with the Turks. ?? It seems like you can never become a Turk in the eyes of Turkey.!! If Turkey accepts you as a Turk, then there wouldn't be any need to replace you in the job place.!

If your so concern about Turkey taking over the North with increase settlers and the T/C will dissappear, I certainly don't see the south doing anything in their powers to help the T/C to gain back their independence or any benefits. What your suggesting deep down is that we T/C should stand still as time goes by, well unfortunately we have to do what ever resources we have available to use so we can also have the right to live. If Turkey is the only country in the world to provide us with those resources well so be it. I rather have my Turkish Lira wages so I can do the things I want to- buy a car, travel, house. It is unfortunate as I have mentioned in my previous posts that Turkey is our blood line in order to survive but hey what choice have I got when at the end of the day we can balme as many different parties, coups, countries, constitutions to the mess we as T/C have suffered and still do today.

Why doesn't your G/C government and you as a nation say lets allow these T/C to live and benefit as we do have a Taiwan style setup.Example: Allow only T/C business owners to have direct trade until a solution is found. Me as a T/C can't stand up and say to Turkey we don't want you but you as RoC have cards to play. Maybe just think for a moment I as a T/C may have the same views as you as a G/C about Turkey and settelers, why am I getting punished?

So what I am trying to say is you and your friends keep talking about Turkey doing this and Turkey doing that, settlers comming in and so forth but with your government so arrogant how can you accuse me when I have not been given any other choice. Give me a choice to reunite this island together with you, beside me, and hey we have now a different road to take. Unfortunately there was a choice in 2004 you disagreed, that was a choice you could of given me to work together maybe the plan wasn't perfect but we could of both worked off it to suite both our communities.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

You are not qualified to speak about past experiences of TCs from the dark days, because you don't have any. Bir and I can, along with few more TCs here at the CF, but you cannot, so now, beat it.!

Th,s has nothing to do with me, your arrogance and big headedness doesn't allow you to understand what I am saying, how can you know more about Birs experiences than Bir? You tell try to tell him what he lived through, that's how stupid you look.

There are no "new generation" TCs. They are Illegal Aliens and they will need to go back to their "roots" when ever Turkey decides to become a EU member.

You should forget about becoming a minority in a GC state and start worrying about surviving in the Turkish state. The settlers do not want you. How many times do I need to tell you, that the TCs to the Turks are nothing but uncultured peasants who happen to speak bastardized Turkish language, that's all. That's why they are slowly but surely taking all the well paid jobs away from you, and why not, Turkey is paying the bill, so they want to pay it to their own people, and not the TCs. Wait until they demand and get 50% and more of the "trnc's ministers" jobs to be Turks. The TCs are on a downward spiral of being pushed aside in the north in every way possible. Your "roots" does not want you as equals. You will eventually become just like what the Kurds are to the Turks.....Mountain Turks.!

Good, this is just how we want it...you cannot use it as a threat, it means nothing. Without a solution this is the route we wish to take and in 100 years time we will all be Turks of Cyprus and you'll still be in the south.

[repulsewarrior]

yes there is but vp is going to now say we would rather be turkified and be a minority to turks then live with you gcs thats how bad gcs tried to kill them and scared them

He said that long ago and can you blame him for all the extremist responses he gets?

what came first?

...vp was the first person i met (replied to my posting) on a Forum having "Cyprus" attached to it, (or was it, another dr.D). my opinions then i thought were formed, and ironically it is vp, and others needless to say, that led me to change (read:adapt), and publish my manifesto. i still believe whatever happened to vp personally, only compares to thousands of others, like me, who could tell a similar story. we are reasponsible for our own actions as Individuals whatever as a Person we are; and we cannot paint all Persons because of the acts of any Individual. what does it prove if we cannot overcome our fears, and yet it is like i know, if i went back to my village today there are those who plundered my family in a way where my murder would be likely. then there are my neighbours, and although the whereabouts of their sons and daughters, nor their children, are known to me anymore, i know that my auntie and her daughter keep in touch as always.

...what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village; Turks like Greeks are not my enemies, "Turks" and "Greeks" leave us the victims and dismissed.

vp, you got your displaced, i got mine. you can choose to stand up for the Rights of all displaced or not; and i invite you to. you cannot live in isolation forever, this is true, however the monoclonal society you offer is not a change, it is a resignation to the interlopers' subjugation, by coincedence it is your "motherland", more noble Turks fight these "Turks" because of what they stand for.

...this is the inescapable reality Cypriots face, defining an existence which is Bicommunal and Bizonal which allows a Cypriot identity to prosper, self representation, Sovereign and a State, as its Steward this island's dwellers. wanting to sustain an identity as Persons is as important, however it should remain an internal affair.

...so be it, sounds like woof woof to me.

[denizaksulu]

yes there is but vp is going to now say we would rather be turkified and be a minority to turks then live with you gcs thats how bad gcs tried to kill them and scared them

He said that long ago and can you blame him for all the extremist responses he gets?

what came first?

...vp was the first person i meet on a Forum having "Cyprus" attached to it, (or was it another dr.D), my opinions then i thought were formed, and ironically it is vp, and others needless to say, that led me to change (read:adapt), and publish my manifesto. i still believe whatever happened to vp personally, only compares to thousands of others, like me, who could tell a similar story. we are reasponsible for our own actions as Individuals whatever as a Person we are. what does it prove if we cannot overcome our fears, and yet it is like i know, if i went back to my village today there are those who plundered my family in a way where murder would be likely. then there are my neighbours, and although the whereabouts of their sons and daughters, nor their children, are known to me, i know that my auntie and her daughter keep in touch as always.

...what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village; Turks like Greeks are not my enemies, "Turks" and "Greeks" leave us the victims and dismissed.

vp, you got your displaced, i got mine. you can choose to stand up for the Rights of all displaced or not. you cannot live in isolation forever, this is true, however the monoclonal society you offer is not a change, it is a resignation to the interlopers' subjugation, more noble Turks fight "Turks" because of what they stand for.

...this is the inescapable reality Cypriots face, defining an existence which is Bicommunal and Bizonal which allows a Cypriot identity to prosper, self representation, Sovereign and a State, as its Steward this island's dwellers. wanting to sustain an identity as Persons is as important, however it should remain an internal affair.

...so be it, sounds like woof woof to me.

You forgot to add, 'please read my manifesto'.

[Kikapu]

You are not qualified to speak about past experiences of TCs from the dark days, because you don't have any. Bir and I can, along with few more TCs here at the CF, but you cannot, so now, beat it.!

Kikapu

Th,s has nothing to do with me, your arrogance and big headedness doesn't allow you to understand what I am saying, how can you know more about Birs experiences than Bir? You tell try to tell him what he lived through, that's how stupid you look.

Bir has written extensively about his past, as I have, so that's how I know. Perhaps you should have read what he has written too than act ignorant to the facts. Many TCs here on the forum can relate to Bir's past, because they all had similar experiences. One does not need to have spent their time standing next to Bir to understand everything what he went through. We all had our own separate experiences, but all relating to the same thing. That is why you are not qualify to talk about this issue, regarding the dark times from the past. You can say we were all in the same football stadium watching the same game, only from different seats at the stadium.!

There are no "new generation" TCs. They are Illegal Aliens and they will need to go back to their "roots" when ever Turkey decides to become a EU member.

You should forget about becoming a minority in a GC state and start worrying about surviving in the Turkish state. The settlers do not want you. How many times do I need to tell you, that the TCs to the Turks are nothing but uncultured peasants who happen to speak bastardized Turkish language, that's all. That's why they are slowly but surely taking all the well paid jobs away from you, and why not, Turkey is paying the bill, so they want to pay it to their own people, and not the TCs. Wait until they demand and get 50% and more of the "trnc's ministers" jobs to be Turks. The TCs are on a downward spiral of being pushed aside in the north in every way possible. Your "roots" does not want you as equals. You will eventually become just like what the Kurds are to the Turks.....Mountain Turks.!

Good, this is just how we want it...you cannot use it as a threat, it means nothing. Without a solution this is the route we wish to take and in 100 years time we will all be Turks of Cyprus and you'll still be in the south.

You don't have a choice to choose what the future holds for the TCs, so don't pretend that you do. Thanks to your leaders not wanting for the TCs to live in the 21st Century from the 16th century mentality that they have. This only helps Turkey to swallow up the TCs and leave them behind in her droppings.!

[Viewpoint]

You ate still playing silly buggers how can you know more about Birs personal experiences than Bir? Thats hoe arrogant and stupid you look in the majority of your posts, you think that rights according to Kikapu are even more right than the first hand experieces of those like Bir who actually lived through the event itself. You can avoid facing your imperfections all you want by using a barrage of verbal diahorrea but your continued arrogant despot attitude makes you look even more stupid than you are.

As for the north and how its developing thats our business we would rather side with 70 million Turks than 800k spoilt GCs so your little threats are meaningless.

[Afroasiatis]

I'd say, both TMT and GC leadership oppressed TCs.

They were all (OK, at least TMT and significant members of the GC leadership) part of the same global network of oppression anyway.

What's that?

The Stay Behind network (Gladio) and the parts of Western Block states related to it and the whole story of anti-communism.

TMT and the parts of the GC state I'm referring to (lead by Yiorkatzis, then Minister of Interior) had each strong ties to the turkish and greek deep states respectively, which were involved in this story.

As it's easy to understand, the main purpose was oppression of the population, mainly of dissidents who could harm western (US and NATO) interests. But it seems that some of its branches, like in Cyprus, could act for nationalist purposes as well.

[paliometoxo]

yes there is but vp is going to now say we would rather be turkified and be a minority to turks then live with you gcs thats how bad gcs tried to kill them and scared them

well done palio you are learning we do not fear Turkification because we are. Turkish in origin, this is much preferred to being forced into minority status in a GC state.

so why does turkey not give you your own state in turkey since your more turkish and not cypriot?:)

[Viewpoint]

yes there is but vp is going to now say we would rather be turkified and be a minority to turks then live with you gcs thats how bad gcs tried to kill them and scared them

well done palio you are learning we do not fear Turkification because we are. Turkish in origin, this is much preferred to being forced into minority status in a GC state.

so why does turkey not give you your own state in turkey since your more turkish and not cypriot?:)

because we have no international agreement with Turkey.