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From the mixed TC/GC villages, the TCs voluntarily moved out (now we know, it was enforced by TMT) and formed larger villages or took over huge areas. They now call them "enclaves" but in reality they were prime land which they took over and cultivated and looked after themselves very well. Of course, they presented a real aggressive and sizeable community in those enclaves, usually near impoverished GC villages.

As I said, and perfectly verifiable, the GCs were NOT armed by the government. But the TCs certainly were armed by Turkey via TMT. These "enclaves" were fortresses full of weapons, bombs, guns etc. BirKibrisli has already told us how just in his house, his father kept many weapons for the TMT.

Yup, the TMT was a professional and well armed militia, terrorist group, financed by Turkey, to destroy Cyprus.

And we poor peasants in our GC villages, struggling to survive the droughts and harsh winters and without so much as a hunting rifle between us, lived in fear and taught each other to hide in the banana plantations to survive the TMT/TC forays ... ...

[denizaksulu]

From the mixed TC/GC villages, the TCs voluntarily moved out (now we know, it was enforced by TMT) and formed larger villages or took over huge areas. They now call them "enclaves" but in reality they were prime land which they took over and cultivated and looked after themselves very well. Of course, they presented a real aggressive and sizeable community in those enclaves, usually near impoverished GC villages.

As I said, and perfectly verifiable, the GCs were NOT armed by the government. But the TCs certainly were armed by Turkey via TMT. These "enclaves" were fortresses full of weapons, bombs, guns etc. BirKibrisli has already told us how just in his house, his father kept many weapons for the TMT.

Yup, the TMT was a professional and well armed militia, terrorist group, financed by Turkey, to destroy Cyprus.

And we poor peasants in our GC villages, struggling to survive the droughts and harsh winters and without so much as a hunting rifle between us, lived in fear and taught each other to hide in the banana plantations to survive the TMT/TC forays ... ...

My heart bleeds for you, but now you can rest assured YOU ARE NO LONGER IN DANGER. You keep on with your diatribes and you will never achieve peace.

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Sorry Deniz! But that is 100% true! There's more; another day ...

Why don't you believe it?

What I dont believe is that you had no guns and that EOKA did not exist after 1960.

I know for certain in my village, a typical village, the men did not have much more than their personal hunting guns and most did not even posses those, being so poor. It wasn't like today, when many households have a hunting gun. We had nothing in our village, bar a few hunting guns. Eventually, we had a collection for money, when matters intensified as the nearby "enclaved" TCs were threatening us daily. One representative was sent away with the money to find some guns with which to protect ourselves. My 14 year old brother had to stand watch occasionally, with the one hunting gun ...

EOKA was non-existent at that time or we may have had some help. They were purely interested in ridding the Brits and once that was achieved, they gave up their struggles.

[denizaksulu]

Sorry Deniz! But that is 100% true! There's more; another day ...

Why don't you believe it?

What I dont believe is that you had no guns and that EOKA did not exist after 1960.

I know for certain in my village, a typical village, the men did not have much more than their personal hunting guns and most did not even posses those, being so poor. It wasn't like today, when many households have a hunting gun. We had nothing in our village, bar a few hunting guns. Eventually, we had a collection for money, when matters intensified as the nearby "enclaved" TCs were threatening us daily. One representative was sent away with the money to find some guns with which to protect ourselves. My 14 year old brother had to stand watch occasionally, with the one hunting gun ...

EOKA was non-existent at that time or we may have had some help. They were purely interested in ridding the Brits and once that was achieved, they gave up their struggles.

...and who exactly did you think took part in the raid on Omorphita under the leadership of Nicos Sampson? The ghosts of the 700 Spartans?

[kurupetos]

Whatever imagined remnants of EOKA existed (certainly no operatives) the TMT was a well armed and malicious powerful group who dominated the TCs and made the life of GCs unbearable.

Our village was surrounded by TC villages and for years we lived in fear of their attacks. We had no guns or weapons as the government did not arm us. But the TC villages had all the latest weapons from Turkey.

You talk alot of rubbish sometimes O. Sometimes I think you really believe what you write and that bothers a lot of us on cf.

How many? Can I have a list?

Perhaps most TCs plus.

That makes life easier. I will spare none.

[denizaksulu]

El 21 de diciembre de 1963, un turco-chipriota se enfrentaron con la multitud de paisano de Yorgadjis especiales. Casi inmediatamente, la violencia estalló con un gran ataque de paramilitares grecochipriotas a turcochipriotas en Nicosia y Larnaca. A pesar de que el TMT - un grupo de resistencia turca creada en 1959 para promover una política de Taksim (división o partición de Chipre), en oposición a la parte grecochipriota EOKA grupo nacionalista y su defensa de la enosis (unión de Chipre con Grecia) - cometió un número de los actos de represalia, historiador del conflicto de Chipre Keith Kyle señaló que "no hay duda de que las principales víctimas de los numerosos incidentes que tuvieron lugar durante los próximos meses se turcos." Setecientos rehenes turcos, entre ellos mujeres y niños, fueron tomados de la periferia norte de Nicosia. Nikos Sampson, un nacionalista y líder del golpe de futuro, dirigido a un grupo de grecochipriota irregulares en el barrio mixto de Omorphita y atacaron a la población turcochipriota. En 1964, 193 turco-chipriotas y 133 grecochipriotas que habían sido asesinados, con otros 209 turcos y griegos desaparecidos y 41 muertos.

http://www.todoatlas.com/chiprenor.html


I wonder who the Georgadjis Specials were if they were not the EOKA. Some even wore EOKA badges on their berets in Omorphita 1963. (eye witness account).

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Deniz, I'm describing to you what happened in a typical GC village of the time in topic with this thread. How we GCs had to protect ourselves against the overwhelmingly well-armed TCs courtesy of TMT/Turkey.

We had nothing; the TCs had everything that a belligerent superpower like Turkey had to offer. Plus prime land to cultivate and fatten themselves for years ...

If one man, Sampson, stood up to the Turks in some minor way, then in the context of that time, and the fear that nearly every GC lived under, especially after the Turkish Napalm bombings, then that's up to him! But, he wasn't either EOKA nor EOKA B' at that time but a self-interested journalist, who also valued Cyprus in his own way.

Seriously, it's hearing BirKibrisli's stories and lining them up against what I recall happened, that makes me wonder if we GCs were not as, unfortunately, impoverished and weary from fighting off the Brits as we were; if we couldn't have better protected our country against the Turks, at that time.

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The raids from the British Armed Forces in Cyprus were relentless upon GC homes in the 50s .... right up to 1960. Is it any wonder that the Republic was born amidst a population of GCs owning ZERO weapons?

Whilst the TCs, left alone by the Brits, nay, armed by the Brits courtesy of Macy, and then Turkey/TMT, that we entered the 1960s with TCs armed to the hilt and extremely dangerous ....

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, I'm describing to you what happened in a typical GC village of the time in topic with this thread. How we GCs had to protect ourselves against the overwhelmingly well-armed TCs courtesy of TMT/Turkey.

We had nothing; the TCs had everything that a belligerent superpower like Turkey had to offer. Plus prime land to cultivate and fatten themselves for years ...

If one man, Sampson, stood up to the Turks in some minor way, then in the context of that time, and the fear that nearly every GC lived under, especially after the Turkish Napalm bombings, then that's up to him! But, he wasn't either EOKA nor EOKA B' at that time but a self-interested journalist, who also valued Cyprus in his own way.

Seriously, it's hearing BirKibrisli's stories and lining them up against what I recall happened, that makes me wonder if we GCs were not as, unfortunately, impoverished and weary from fighting off the Brits as we were; if we couldn't have better protected our country against the Turks, at that time.

From what I know, in our village we had not a single shotgun to defend ourselves with. Thats why the small number of TCs felt that there was safety in numbers and moved to Kophinou. All Cypriots have a story to tell and no ones story is more tragic than the others except those that were murdered - TC or GC. You do not have the monopoly in suffering fear O.

And Good night with sweet dreams too. I will watch some footie.

[denizaksulu]

The raids from the British Armed Forces in Cyprus were relentless upon GC homes in the 50s .... right up to 1960. Is it any wonder that the Republic was born amidst a population of GCs owning ZERO weapons?

Whilst the TCs, left alone by the Brits, nay, armed by the Brits courtesy of Macy, and then Turkey/TMT, that we entered the 1960s with TCs armed to the hilt and extremely dangerous ....

Next you will tell me that you were unaware of the illegal arms shipments (literally ship loads) by the goverment.

Do some googling and Goodnight again.