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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby CBBB » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:00 am

denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:absolute power corrupts absolutely

Absolute statements are absolute! 8)


And I'm absolutely unanimous about that!

Both of you?

Yup! Me and the saleslady from “Are you being served?” :lol:


Howz her pussy?


LERAAAA ................. öfffffffffffffffffff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont panic Halil gardash.; these are TV characters. You know me - I dont post filth. :oops:


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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby denizaksulu » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:55 am

CBBB wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:absolute power corrupts absolutely

Absolute statements are absolute! 8)


And I'm absolutely unanimous about that!

Both of you?

Yup! Me and the saleslady from “Are you being served?” :lol:


Howz her pussy?


LERAAAA ................. öfffffffffffffffffff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont panic Halil gardash.; these are TV characters. You know me - I dont post filth. :oops:


Are you freeee!!!!


I'm freeeeeeee!! :evil:
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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby CBBB » Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:25 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
CBBB wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:absolute power corrupts absolutely

Absolute statements are absolute! 8)


And I'm absolutely unanimous about that!

Both of you?

Yup! Me and the saleslady from “Are you being served?” :lol:


Howz her pussy?


LERAAAA ................. öfffffffffffffffffff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont panic Halil gardash.; these are TV characters. You know me - I dont post filth. :oops:


Are you freeee!!!!


I'm freeeeeeee!! :evil:


Oh shit!
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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby denizaksulu » Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:40 pm

CBBB wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
CBBB wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:absolute power corrupts absolutely

Absolute statements are absolute! 8)


And I'm absolutely unanimous about that!

Both of you?

Yup! Me and the saleslady from “Are you being served?” :lol:


Howz her pussy?


LERAAAA ................. öfffffffffffffffffff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont panic Halil gardash.; these are TV characters. You know me - I dont post filth. :oops:


Are you freeee!!!!


I'm freeeeeeee!! :evil:


Oh shit!


Ok then, for you a token charge; are you negative or positive?
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Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:32 am

Deniz, do you realise that if you are not outrightly swearing, you are full on with the double entendres? Are you playing some cunning stunt?
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:38 am

Oracle wrote:Deniz, do you realise that if you are not outrightly swearing, you are full on with the double entendres? Are you playing some cunning stunt?


I am honoured that you might find me cunning. I am but a simple man with ...................but how come you are discussing 'swearing'? Do you intend to give lessons? :lol:
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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:33 am

Oracle wrote:The famous quote by Lord Acton the moralist, for whom I have a great deal of R*sp*ct! :D

Discuss ....


The quote is incorrect: what Lord Acton wrote was

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This was extracted from letter concerning the allged infallibility of the Pope: the entire paragraph states

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it."

How very true.
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Re: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Postby Oracle » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:14 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Oracle wrote:The famous quote by Lord Acton the moralist, for whom I have a great deal of R*sp*ct! :D

Discuss ....


The quote is incorrect: what Lord Acton wrote was

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This was extracted from letter concerning the allged infallibility of the Pope: the entire paragraph states

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it."

How very true.


I'm pleased you were stimulated into some reading, but the truncation was my convenient Occam's razor -- to fit the letter limits of the thread title. (Easy to amass 'knowledge', a lifetime to exercise application :wink: )

Do you wish to expand on your approval of Lord Acton's statement being "very true" by giving us a modern example of where it applies?

(P.S. No, I do not wish you or any other to googlefart alternative spellings of Occam's razor ) :wink:
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power tends to corrupt

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:28 pm

I am quite happy to accept your spelling of Occam's Razor but I am not sure that trying to used it to shave a few words off the title fits within the scope of what William of Occam was arguing: his thesis was that if there are two competing hypotheses that are otherwsie equal in explaining a particular situation the simplest explanation was likely to be the best.

Here we only have one thesis on power,with no competing hypotheses about how or why power tends to corrupt.

As to your questiojn, I'd include any senior political figure who claims any religeous justification for any particular course of action, or who otherwise invoke the name of God/Allah/Yaweh etc, and in particular those who claim to have ben instructed by any god to adopt any course of action. The leading examples must be the Mullahs of Iran, and probbaly a number of recent US Presidents, possibly even Bush's Toy Poodle, Tony Blair.
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Re: power tends to corrupt

Postby Oracle » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:08 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:I am quite happy to accept your spelling of Occam's Razor but I am not sure that trying to used it to shave a few words off the title fits within the scope of what William of Occam was arguing: his thesis was that if there are two competing hypotheses that are otherwise equal in explaining a particular situation the simplest explanation was likely to be the best.

Here we only have one thesis on power,with no competing hypotheses about how or why power tends to corrupt.


You didn't reflect on the point I made about adapting philosophy to practical problem solving. The practical problem was to fit a whole quote into the limits of the thread title sequence. The solution was to retain the meaning with fewer words.

Are you disputing that the razor-ed version now no longer fits in with Occam's "two competing hypotheses" rule of opting for the simplest when "otherwise equal"?

As to your questiojn, I'd include any senior political figure who claims any religeous justification for any particular course of action, or who otherwise invoke the name of God/Allah/Yaweh etc, and in particular those who claim to have ben instructed by any god to adopt any course of action. The leading examples must be the Mullahs of Iran, and probbaly a number of recent US Presidents, possibly even Bush's Toy Poodle, Tony Blair.


I don't think you need to go quite that far to make the point about power, but I accept your example.
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