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Cyprus constructive over Turkish bid to join EU

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Postby Kikapu » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:31 pm

All4114All wrote:The question to the topic is does the EU need Turkey more than ever now or does Turkey need the EU? At the moment I just don't see what is so great about the EU to become a member when you have so many eurozone countries falling into bailouts from the EU and IMF which will cause those countries to lose control on their own financial control. There is talks that eurozone countries like Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugual may consider to split so they can devalue their own currency to cause less pain in fact it would be greater gain for the Euro strength if such a move did happen. Then you have Bulgaria which is a mafia state that most of the EU funded projects provided has been misused and has stopped any furher funds to be given. Not much to say about Romania in the same boat. Then there is talks about Croatia and Serbia to join. Turkey has however done very well without the EU with the economy continuing to rise and without the monetary policies set by the EU. Although I dont think Turkey should turn away from the EU but the process of trying to join the EU is certainly a greater image for Turkey. Personally I am struggling to see the EU as we speak as a powerful currency in the next 10 years with only two members Germany and France striving to keep the eurozone together.

So now we ask the question is Cyprus really blocking Turkey's EU membership bid for worse or is it actually helping Turkey to stay away from the EU for the time being?


The EU will ride the economic stormy waters, because as a block, when one or two members get into trouble, they can help each other. Who is going to help Turkey other than the IMF. Turkey's economy is growing at 3.7% at the moment once adjusted to inflation, so forget about the 10%+ growth rate that Turkey likes to talk about. They never tell you about their 8-9%+ inflation rate in Turkey. Turkey also has many years with very bad economy, so on average, it may only be slightly better than the EU's. The EU does not have the high inflation rate that Turkey does, therefore their growth rate does not need to be very high to be in line with Turkey's. Turkey does need a large growth rate, just to keep up with inflation.
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Postby Gasman » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:43 pm

Who is going to help Turkey other than the IMF.


IMF weighed in heavily to help Greece. At one stage the Germans were saying they'd prefer Greece went solely to the IMF. It was an IMF/Eurozone rescue package.

From the Independent, May this year:

Some in Berlin would prefer to see Greece default or to leave matters entirely to the IMF.


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Some €45bn (£39bn) this year, and a total three-year funding of €120bn (£104bn), is said to be being organised by IMF, European Central Bank (ECB) and European Commission officials. Eurozone finance ministers will meet tomorrow to settle any outstanding issues, chaired by Jean-Claude Juncker, finance minister of Luxembourg.

Of the initial €45bn (£39bn), some €30bn (£26bn) is being provided though bilateral loans to Greece by individual eurozone members, €8bn (£7bn) being the German share.

The balance will come from the IMF. Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the ECB, and Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF's managing director, met Bundestag members earlier this week to plead for their support for the measures.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:50 pm

Gasman wrote:
Who is going to help Turkey other than the IMF.


IMF weighed in heavily to help Greece. At one stage the Germans were saying they'd prefer Greece went solely to the IMF. It was an IMF/Eurozone rescue package.

From the Independent, May this year:

Some in Berlin would prefer to see Greece default or to leave matters entirely to the IMF.


and...
Some €45bn (£39bn) this year, and a total three-year funding of €120bn (£104bn), is said to be being organised by IMF, European Central Bank (ECB) and European Commission officials. Eurozone finance ministers will meet tomorrow to settle any outstanding issues, chaired by Jean-Claude Juncker, finance minister of Luxembourg.

Of the initial €45bn (£39bn), some €30bn (£26bn) is being provided though bilateral loans to Greece by individual eurozone members, €8bn (£7bn) being the German share.

The balance will come from the IMF. Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the ECB, and Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF's managing director, met Bundestag members earlier this week to plead for their support for the measures.


The EU already foot the bulk of the loans to Greece. Who is going to foot all of the bill next time Turkey needs a bailout.? The IMF as usual, that's who.!
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Postby Gasman » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:38 pm

Yes. Same as for all other non EU countries. The world revolved pre EU!
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Postby Gregory » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:46 pm

Gasman wrote:
Who is going to help Turkey other than the IMF.


IMF weighed in heavily to help Greece. At one stage the Germans were saying they'd prefer Greece went solely to the IMF. It was an IMF/Eurozone rescue package.

From the Independent, May this year:

Some in Berlin would prefer to see Greece default or to leave matters entirely to the IMF.


and...
Some €45bn (£39bn) this year, and a total three-year funding of €120bn (£104bn), is said to be being organised by IMF, European Central Bank (ECB) and European Commission officials. Eurozone finance ministers will meet tomorrow to settle any outstanding issues, chaired by Jean-Claude Juncker, finance minister of Luxembourg.

Of the initial €45bn (£39bn), some €30bn (£26bn) is being provided though bilateral loans to Greece by individual eurozone members, €8bn (£7bn) being the German share.

The balance will come from the IMF. Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the ECB, and Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF's managing director, met Bundestag members earlier this week to plead for their support for the measures.


Great economics. Germany requires markets to sell its products to and feed its giant export industry. Countries such as Greece, Portugal and Spain are found to be excellent clients with limited buying powers.

Solution? Boost the German banking industry by lending at extortionist rates money to these govts, these govts would in turn spend their defense and industry budgets on German products thus boosting the German economy all around.

Once these countries are not fit to pay for the German loans anymore then call for the IMF. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:21 pm

Turkey’s IMF financial Position as of October 31, 2010…

Turkey owes $5,214,544,842 :roll:

http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/ ... 2010-10-31
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