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Postby YeReVaN » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:38 pm

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YeReVaN wrote:Main_Source, you are right. Armenias archieves are open to anybody. The Turkish media has been braiwashing the Turkish people for years telling everybody that Turkish archieves are open and Armenian archieves are closed. Armenia has nothing to hide. Turkey does. One example would be that cancelation of the conference organizes by 3 major universities. And the Turkish historian's name who came to Armenia to study the archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci ... nocide.htm



yes they has nothing that is why they are hiding. And the Turkish historian's name who is arrested due to his researchs fo archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz. and is there any document about the genocide...it is just an interpretation as the others and this interpretation is written based on the informs of allied powers which were the enemy of Ottomans. so this makes them baseless personal interpretations. and that site is telling about the deportation. so did you search the reason of that deportation? or were they only the Armenians who were deported?


The historian was not arrested because he was doing research on archives. He got arrested because he attempted to take old book out of the country without permission.






Duke Student Gets Suspended Sentence In Armenia
Turkish Researcher Charged With Taking Historical Books

POSTED: 3:42 pm EDT August 17, 2005

YEREVAN, Armenia -- A Yerevan court on Tuesday handed a two-year suspended sentence to a Turkish historian from Duke University who tried to leave the country with centuries-old books, in violation of Armenian law.

Yektan Turkyilmaz, 33, was leaving from Yerevan June 17, when Armenian security agents pulled him from his plane. He was carrying 88 books, some of which dated back to the 17th century, authorities said.

Armenian law prohibits anyone from taking a book that is more than 50 years old out of the country without permission. Authorities did not return the books to Turkyilmaz.

Turkyilmaz is the only Turkish scholar to be allowed to study in Armenia, which has tense relations with Turkey, due to lingering bitterness over the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey during World War I and Turkey's support of Armenia's regional rival, Azerbaijan.

Turkyilmaz, who was freed after the ruling, told reporters that he planned to spend another two weeks working in Yerevan before returning to Istanbul then North Carolina, where he is a doctoral student at Duke.
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Postby faruk » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:17 am

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faruk wrote:
YeReVaN wrote:Main_Source, you are right. Armenias archieves are open to anybody. The Turkish media has been braiwashing the Turkish people for years telling everybody that Turkish archieves are open and Armenian archieves are closed. Armenia has nothing to hide. Turkey does. One example would be that cancelation of the conference organizes by 3 major universities. And the Turkish historian's name who came to Armenia to study the archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci ... nocide.htm



yes they has nothing that is why they are hiding. And the Turkish historian's name who is arrested due to his researchs fo archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz. and is there any document about the genocide...it is just an interpretation as the others and this interpretation is written based on the informs of allied powers which were the enemy of Ottomans. so this makes them baseless personal interpretations. and that site is telling about the deportation. so did you search the reason of that deportation? or were they only the Armenians who were deported?


The historian was not arrested because he was doing research on archives. He got arrested because he attempted to take old book out of the country without permission.






Duke Student Gets Suspended Sentence In Armenia
Turkish Researcher Charged With Taking Historical Books

POSTED: 3:42 pm EDT August 17, 2005

YEREVAN, Armenia -- A Yerevan court on Tuesday handed a two-year suspended sentence to a Turkish historian from Duke University who tried to leave the country with centuries-old books, in violation of Armenian law.

Yektan Turkyilmaz, 33, was leaving from Yerevan June 17, when Armenian security agents pulled him from his plane. He was carrying 88 books, some of which dated back to the 17th century, authorities said.

Armenian law prohibits anyone from taking a book that is more than 50 years old out of the country without permission. Authorities did not return the books to Turkyilmaz.

Turkyilmaz is the only Turkish scholar to be allowed to study in Armenia, which has tense relations with Turkey, due to lingering bitterness over the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey during World War I and Turkey's support of Armenia's regional rival, Azerbaijan.

Turkyilmaz, who was freed after the ruling, told reporters that he planned to spend another two weeks working in Yerevan before returning to Istanbul then North Carolina, where he is a doctoral student at Duke.



Türkyılmaz is free now. So, is the penalty of stealing an over 50 years old book just 2 weeks or is he free because he is not guilty.

one more thing you just reply for Türkyılmaz but not about the rest. let me remind you "is there any document about the genocide...it is just an interpretation as the others and this interpretation is written based on the informs of allied powers which were the enemy of Ottomans. so this makes them baseless personal interpretations. and that site is telling about the deportation. so did you search the reason of that deportation? or were they only the Armenians who were deported?"

you know also the pure truth is that there is no Armenian Genocide but the Armenian terrorist groups killed lots of Turks in the east during the independence war and also before. the ethnic cleaninsing was done by Armenians and we also should not forget the ASALA which was a terrorist organization of Armenians aimed at killing Turkish diplomats which was also realized. and the deportation of 1 million Azerbaijani by Armenians should not be forgatten. They were forced out from their homes and they are living in bad conditions because of this. you ignore all these and then you are insisting about a baseless slander. good luck in your banned life
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Postby YeReVaN » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:35 am

You sure learned the fairy tales that your media and the government feeds you pretty well there. Try to get some real information from the real world. Not the B.S that your government tells you to deny the Armenian Genocide and try to keep Turkey's name clean.
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Postby YeReVaN » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:36 am

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci ... nocide.htm

This triumvirate of Young Turks, consisting of Mehmed Talaat, Ismail Enver and Ahmed Djemal, came to wield dictatorial powers and concocted their own ambitious plans for the future of Turkey. They wanted to unite all of the Turkic peoples in the entire region while expanding the borders of Turkey eastward across the Caucasus all the way into Central Asia. This would create a new Turkish empire, a "great and eternal land" called Turan with one language and one religion.



But there was a big problem. The traditional historic homeland of Armenia lay right in the path of their plans to expand eastward. And on that land was a large population of Christian Armenians totaling some two million persons, making up about 10 percent of Turkey's overall population
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Postby faruk » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:17 pm

YeReVaN wrote:You sure learned the fairy tales that your media and the government feeds you pretty well there. Try to get some real information from the real world. Not the B.S that your government tells you to deny the Armenian Genocide and try to keep Turkey's name clean.


you do not answer what i asked but only insisting on baseless provokative inevitable claims. ın that web site there is full of baseless personal interpretations and there is no document of it. my questions about this subject are still waiting to be answered. furthermore, you are claiming that our points are just fairy tales made by our media,so, can you give me some coherent proof which are documented. meanly not like your site.
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Postby JustAnAmerican » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:44 am

BACK TO THE ORGINAL POST:

Neither the Turkish Army nor the Cypriot National Guard are completely responsible for De-mining.

Basically the de-mining of Cyprus has been broken up into four phases.
1. CNG mines in Nicosia Sector 2
2. TA mines in Nicosia Sector 2
3. CNG outside of Nicosia Sectors 1 and 4
4. TA mines outside of Nicosia Sectors 1 and 4

The primary de-mining teams are coming from Mozambique and Angola. These guys are the best, because they have so much actually experience de-mining in their own countries. There are no de-mining teams being provided from either TC or GC side, but both sides are involved in the translation of their mine maps and local area knowledge.

They have started with the CNG because their maps and mine location knowledge seems to be a little more complete, NOT because the TA has not been cooperative.

You maybe unaware, farmers can apply for an agricultural land permit to utilize, Green-line pastures and fields. One TC farmer asked for a permit located on property known as minefield by both the TA and CNG armies. The TA map showed the minefield as being 400 by 800 meters wide. The farmer said that it was more like 100 by 200 meters wide. He said he knew because he tested it with one of his goatherds!! He received the permit and is still out there farming to this day.
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