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[faruk]

1)For the obligations, Turkey did not have a right to invade. After the signing of the London-Zurich agreements Klerides sent a letter to the UN for clarification on the right to intervene. The UN reply was categorical, the UN charter is on top of the agreements and Turkey did not have a right to military intervene.

2)Barbaric acts from the government? The only barbaric acts where from the two organizations TMT and EOKA-B, which as you may know TMT killed and terrorised many TC.

And to repeat thousands of GC were brutally killed, a thousand and a half dissapeared and a third of the population were forced out of their homes property and forced into poverty, living in tents while looking for their "dead/dissapeared" relatives. Furthermore the few that were left in the north were harrased/beaten until the north was completely ethincally clensed. So who is the victim here.



Finally back on subject when will Turkey be ready? How come the ROC is ready? Is the threat to Turkey greater than the threat ROC faces? Is the "cat" afraid of the "mouse"?

dedicated to fi

first, Turkey did not invade. Turkey used her peace keeping operation right given by the Zurich and London agreements when the facist Greek junta started killing operations on TCs and also GCs as well and Turkey saved also GCs as well. Also this just intervention was stated by Greece too.
Court of Cassation in Athens passed the following judgement on March 21, 1979 ( Decision No: 2658/ 79 ).

“ The Turkish Military interention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Accords was legal. Turkey as one of the Guarantor powers , had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits....... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for the intervention"

second, u are mixing up the events i think. Because they were the TCs who were killed, raped, dissapeared, forced out from their homes between 1956-1974. please do not make Grivas and his men upset who did the best killing operations.

Have you ever read the "Akritas Plan" which caused the destroy of a republic and caused the partition planned by its own president and by some of its higher position officers or ministers such as yiorkadjis(same time Akritas), Klerides. also your present beloved leader Papdoc. this was the first example in the history that a president and his men set some plan and obliterate a state. Then you can understand who caused the present situation. because if you read it you can relaize the truth that the present situation is arise from Greeks but not from Turkish. then you can rethink on the issue that you follow by now.

[mehmetg]

Yes, typical Turkish reaction...everyone is a barbarian except for them.

Well, I think you find the rest of the world thinks the opposite -

are you also still denying the Armenian genocide...?

or why dont you ask Assyrians what they think of your government over the years?

It's funny how so many countries and peoples have been affected by Turkish extreme nationalism over the years...yet people like you Gabaston always seem to think that you are totally innocent.

Sorry man but Turks are not narcist as you are and not after any idea like megoloidea like GC friends. In this aspect we are not in the claim of barbarity for all nations. All nations over the world took necessary actions over others throughout the history. BUT there is no proof of ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. I do not know are you aware of the latest developments on this issue. Turkish government offered to Armenia that to form a group out of historian academics of both side to examine the issue. Living the issue to academics rather than political leaders to reach an healty result. And to show how serious the proposal Turkish government opened all the Ottaman and Turkish archives on the issue. And ofcource expected happened and Armenians refused.
Another topic is a Turkish journalist whom investigating the issue was just arrested 2 weeks ago in Armenia.(without any serious reason) and after 2 weeks of prisonment he left free but Armenian government took all his research.
Right now 50.000 Armenian citizens works in Istanbul because of poverty and high inflation in their homeland. each year around 200.000 Armenians immigrate to other countries by the same reason and they use fake Armenian Genocide issue to put pressuare on Turkish Government to open her borders to Armenia to be able to develop their economy.
Also there is no hard evidence of the genocide. During the Ottaman rule some Armenians are forced out to other locations because they were gang members whom were fighting againist the countries welfare. During this force out many people died because of illnesses and loose conditions and not just Armenians other forced out people and huge amount of Turkish soldiers died as well because of the same reasons. And no other ethnic groups called this a genocide no soldiers family named it like that but armenians did because of national interests of their own.
So under the light of this current information and facts you can not name an issue genocide which is not prooved and decrease whole countries dignity. Besides Turkey is trying her best to reach a historically true result but armenians do not help on them. Because calling genocide is on their national benefit.

[faruk]

Yes, typical Turkish reaction...everyone is a barbarian except for them.

Well, I think you find the rest of the world thinks the opposite -

are you also still denying the Armenian genocide...?

or why dont you ask Assyrians what they think of your government over the years?

It's funny how so many countries and peoples have been affected by Turkish extreme nationalism over the years...yet people like you Gabaston always seem to think that you are totally innocent.

i think your nick is very fit to you. because you can only be the main source of wrong information. if you do not know i can inform you. This genocide lie was created in the WWI by the belligerent group against Ottomans and against her allies in order to gain much support against Ottomans. Besides there are documents about that period of history which prove that the genocide over Armemians is a immense lie. Furthermore, some Armenian Groups Attacked on Turkish troops and also on civilian Turkish people. so please check up your source again and again. because there is no evidence about the Armenian Genocide. because there is no Armenian genocide.
also an advise do not smoke much.......

[Main_Source]

blah blah blah...same old crap. Turkey is innocent...it's just its neighbours who are always guilty because they did not lie down and let us oppress them.

Let me ask you something...why is it that the people in charge of Kemal Ataturk's personal memoirs, refuse to open them and make them public? Are they afraid the world will find out the truth?

[mehmetg]

Let me ask you something...why is it that the people in charge of Kemal Ataturk's personal memoirs, refuse to open them and make them public? Are they afraid the world will find out the truth?

Sorry main source but I am afraid that you only know how to write posts not reading them. As I mentioned in the previouys post of mine Turkey offered to open the archives with only by the condition of the same act by Armenia. But Armenians refused. I am not stating whose guilty or who is innocent. I only state again that the issue is still on. It is not PROOVED. So if Armenians agree on reaching a historically true statement and open their archives-- I will be also glad to know the truth. Because just by Turkish documentary Turkey seems like on th defend side.

[faruk]

blah blah blah...same old crap. Turkey is innocent...it's just its neighbours who are always guilty because they did not lie down and let us oppress them.

Let me ask you something...why is it that the people in charge of Kemal Ataturk's personal memoirs, refuse to open them and make them public? Are they afraid the world will find out the truth?

you can read the book of M. Kemal Atatürk named "söylev". The all truth is written there... you can learn in there all you want to know. and our suggestion to Armenia was to open archieves in order to research this baseless and contradictory claim. but, unfortunately this claim has been denied by Armenia although we have open all our archieves for this research as oppose to your claim. so this recovers the --with your words-- guilty side. so let me ask a question now. what do you think about this refusal? why did they deny to open their archieves?

it is so easy to slander with baseless claims as your ancestors did. but, in my opinion it is very asshaming to slander whole nation. if you have an argument then you should base it on to informations or to concrete things. beside you do not have any of them and you base your claims on contradictory things or something like "blah blah blah".sustain to follow your ancestrors' line.

[Main_Source]

As for these Armenian archives...which ones are you talking about? Didnt they let some Turkish student look at some old books and archives in their national library or something.

the other thing that I find a joke is that so many of you guys are so blinkered and naive. Turkey is run by a military government and has a violant past in its borders and colonies of the past...yet when ever trouble arises with peoples you have stolen land from, you always seem to blame them. Why is it you seem to think that so many other nations can be wrong and Turkey is right.

As for this Ataturk book...do you REALLY think the whole truth is in there?

[YeReVaN]

Main_Source, you are right. Armenias archieves are open to anybody. The Turkish media has been braiwashing the Turkish people for years telling everybody that Turkish archieves are open and Armenian archieves are closed. Armenia has nothing to hide. Turkey does. One example would be that cancelation of the conference organizes by 3 major universities. And the Turkish historian's name who came to Armenia to study the archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci ... nocide.htm

[mehmetg]

As for these Armenian archives...which ones are you talking about? Didnt they let some Turkish student look at some old books and archives in their national library or something.



As for this Ataturk book...do you REALLY think the whole truth is in there?

I am really a fan of my own patience... Just for your knowledge... The information will be in elementary school english. Maybe you we can reach somewhere.
1. Armenia didnot let anyone to archives.
2. The archives that has records of 1910-1920
3. Turkey asked to form a group.
4. A group for searching truth.
5. Group should have academics.
6. Academics from both countries.
7. The reason was to learn the truth.
8. Turkey opened her archives.
9. Opened them to Armenians.
10. But Armenians refused.
11. They refused to open their archives.

I hope this will work. Anyway another argument and the most famous one on the unbased genocide issue for Armenians is the Blue Book. I dont know are you aware of it but it is like a tool for blaming Turkey for Genocide. The auther of the book announced that the book was written by the will of UKgovernment. He made this announcement last year and the reason was to blame Turkey for Genocide and applying diplomatic pressuare. Anyway U.K. government accapted the statement and announced that it was a historical mistake.
Besides just yesterday Armenian Patric of Turkey Barthelomeos gave a speech. And he claimed that Armenians who lives in Turkey has no minority problems. They have their rights and the biggest problem is economy in Turkey which effects the whole population in Turkey. So this should tell you something deart main source.

Besides about the second argument of yours. The military government in Turkey Please please and please I beg you my friend get some accurate information. At least try to learn. The current government is the most opposite party to the military. Army is not happy with them like many democratic secular modern people of Turkey. Because the current government defends Islam in a secular country and make politics over religion. Secondly they restricted the duties of army and at last they are not figthing enough againist terrorism.
If the army was controlling the country as you said- the army would not be unconfortable. So please be rational....

[faruk]

Main_Source, you are right. Armenias archieves are open to anybody. The Turkish media has been braiwashing the Turkish people for years telling everybody that Turkish archieves are open and Armenian archieves are closed. Armenia has nothing to hide. Turkey does. One example would be that cancelation of the conference organizes by 3 major universities. And the Turkish historian's name who came to Armenia to study the archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci ... nocide.htm

yes they has nothing that is why they are hiding. And the Turkish historian's name who is arrested due to his researchs fo archieves is Yektan Türkyılmaz. and is there any document about the genocide...it is just an interpretation as the others and this interpretation is written based on the informs of allied powers which were the enemy of Ottomans. so this makes them baseless personal interpretations. and that site is telling about the deportation. so did you search the reason of that deportation? or were they only the Armenians who were deported?