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[Viewpoint]

I don't think we need a solution before we can start demining, it can be part of confidence building measures.

For your info fi the Turkish Army and UN have reached an agreement that demining will take place as 3 more crossing points are planned in the near future. I agree that we do not need mines that were left over from 1974, times have changed but minds are still the same...unfortunately.

[fi]

Viewpoint I know about the agreement, but it seems that Turkey is delaying again to implement it, whereas the Republic is already on the way to full demining. Don't know if Turkey's promises have any value, they have been broken so many times in the past.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint I know about the agreement, but it seems that Turkey is delaying again to implement it, whereas the Republic is already on the way to full demining. Don't know if Turkey's promises have any value, they have been broken so many times in the past.

Patience is a virtue

[erolz]

I think it should also be pointed out that rightly or wrongly as things stand at the moment Turkey has a duty to defend this border and does so with the consent of the TC admin. As such it has a 'right' to have a major if not the final say in such matters.

[fi]

Defend it from what threat?

But I don't think mines are necessary in any kind of situation. I'd prefer to stay here defensless rather than have anyone accidentally injured/killed by these things. War may be inevatible some times but some means should never be used. i.e. the clocks stoped at 8:15AM 6th of Aug...

[gabaston]

Don't know if Turkey's promises have any value

fi it seems that most of your posts irrespective of thread title contain at snipe at Turkey, so please expect a response.

first, of the three guarantor powers they were the only one was prepared to meet it obligations and react to the coup. Greece actually instigated it, and Britain did nothing.

second for broken promises look to the greek cypriot government of 60-73 who not only broke the pledge of defending the lives and property of all its citizens, but actually sanctioned barbaric acts against its citizens.


As for the mines i agree they are nasty, but who said war was nice. Turkey will play its part in their removal when its ready.

[gabaston]

double post

[fi]

Hi gabaston, please explain what you mean a snipe at Turkey?

You mean what I wrote: "Defend from what threat?". I mean that Cyprus with less than 1 million is absolutely no military threat to Turkey.

As for your questions I don't see the relation in this post why we have to repeat all these things over and over again. But since you invited me to answer I have (not right to ignore someones questions)

1)For the obligations, Turkey did not have a right to invade. After the signing of the London-Zurich agreements Klerides sent a letter to the UN for clarification on the right to intervene. The UN reply was categorical, the UN charter is on top of the agreements and Turkey did not have a right to military intervene.

2)Barbaric acts from the government? The only barbaric acts where from the two organizations TMT and EOKA-B, which as you may know TMT killed and terrorised many TC.

And to repeat thousands of GC were brutally killed, a thousand and a half dissapeared and a third of the population were forced out of their homes property and forced into poverty, living in tents while looking for their "dead/dissapeared" relatives. Furthermore the few that were left in the north were harrased/beaten until the north was completely ethincally clensed. So who is the victim here.



Finally back on subject when will Turkey be ready? How come the ROC is ready? Is the threat to Turkey greater than the threat ROC faces? Is the "cat" afraid of the "mouse"?

[Turkey (( *]

1)For the obligations, Turkey did not have a right to invade. After the signing of the London-Zurich agreements Klerides sent a letter to the UN for clarification on the right to intervene. The UN reply was categorical, the UN charter is on top of the agreements and Turkey did not have a right to military intervene.

Can you prove that?? I would like to see sources, I have no idea there was something like that, all guaranteers had the right to intervene and I have never heard of a letter sent by Klerides!!

[gabaston]

fi i quoted your snipe.

nearly all of your threads contain some derogatory remark about turkey.

this may be perfectly acceptable in your house, but in the real world prepare for your remarks to be challenged.

i shall now read the rest of your post.