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[Hermes]

A very well-researched article. Makes lots of interesting points. As Turkey moves towards being the new face of Islamic fundamentalism, the West will have to decide - as some are already arguing - whether Turkey should be expelled from NATO and its citizens barred from migrating into the European Union.

[Hermes]

Time for sanctions against Turkey?

Turkey is like Iran

The WikiLeaks documents confirmed the great American and European anxiety over the dangerous regime in power in Turkey. At this time, there are two Middle Eastern entities already controlled by Muslim Brotherhood parties: Hamas in Gaza and Erdogan in Ankara. One should not be surprised to see the friendly ties between the Turkish regime and Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah: We are dealing with political Islam movements that use any means possible in order to take power and threaten others.

In the past, Turkey served as an important pro-Western anchor in the Middle East and played a stabilizing, responsible and constructive role. Today, it constitutes a threat and jeopardizes most Arab regimes, and also Israel, being a focal point of shocks and tensions. Erdogan is threatening regional stability with his thuggish, megalomaniac behavior and with his support for axis of evil elements.

The regimes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian Authority and many others are greatly disturbed by the new, aggressive player that suddenly emerged against them. While everyone knows that Iran is an enemy, the current regime in Turkey still hides behind the glory of previous Turkish regimes which were friends of the West.

We better understand that we are dealing with a hostile regime that has no intention of giving up power in Turkey.

And now came Erdogan’s latest statement in Beirut, whereby “Turkey won’t remain silent” in case of a new war between Israel and Hamas or Hezbollah and made the threat substantive. From now own, according to its own declaration, Turkey is a potential military foe of Israel and may embark on war against us.

Kick Turkey out of NATO

There is no choice: The time has come to change the global policy vis-à-vis the Turkish regime. The current state of affairs where Erdogan increasingly joins forces with the global axis of evil and provokes the Middle East, without paying a price for it, must draw to an end.

The US Congress must not approve any more advance arms deals with Turkey – for example, the F-35 stealth aircraft, which Ankara seeks. After all, these jets’ secrets may end up being transferred to Iran or used against Israel. Anyone who seeks to maintain Israel’s military advantage must not approve the sale of advanced weapons to Turkey. Meanwhile, the Turkish army at this time must be counted among Israel’s enemies, not its friends.

It’s also unthinkable that Turkey shall remain a member of NATO, as it engages in military cooperation with Iran and China, two states considered NATO enemies. According to WikiLeaks, Turkey transferred through its territory military and nuclear materials to Iran; Ankara itself reported that it engaged in joint Air Force exercises with China. How can such state, which may hand over NATO’s secrets to its enemies, be trusted? Turkey in NATO is like having Iran in NATO.

The Turkish foreign minister, who was characterized as a very dangerous man by the Americans, is of course playing dumb in Washington. However, it must be made clear to him and his masters that from now on Congress shall closely monitor Turkey. Should it reassume a responsible role in the Mideast, the US shall continue to assist it. Yet should it continue to issue threats and conduct itself thuggishly, America will consider imposing sanctions on it, as is the case with Syria.

After all, what is the difference between Turkey and Syria when both of them assist terrorists? Yet while Assad’s regime is secular and somewhat responsible (Assad asked Erdogan to calm down after the latter went wild following the flotilla affair,) the current Turkish government is a classic Muslim Brotherhood regime.

Erdogan himself misses no opportunity to engage in the wildest incitement against Israel. Europe has already changed its attitude to his regime, and today he has no chance of being accepted into the European Union. The time has come for the US Congress to also gravely address the growing Turkish threat.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 11,00.html

[boulio]

hermes whats your thoughts on these leaks?It seems to me a few things,even thought not many have surfaced yet a great bulk have to do with turkey.Also as the leaks continue it seems there getting worse and worse between US and turkey.Do you think these can escalate into a diplomatic world war and i would really love to seem the leaks from the iraq invasion when turkeys denied the US use of there country.

[Hermes]

hermes whats your thoughts on these leaks?It seems to me a few things,even thought not many have surfaced yet a great bulk have to do with turkey.Also as the leaks continue it seems there getting worse and worse between US and turkey.Do you think these can escalate into a diplomatic world war and i would really love to seem the leaks from the iraq invasion when turkeys denied the US use of there country.

I think these leaks lay bare the tensions and mistrust between the US and Turkey. This has to be set against the background of an increasing hostility towards Turkey's foreign policies on Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah which are not only troubling the West but also causing disquiet in the Middle East. In other words, we are seeing Turkey's new diplomacy and supposed influence in the region unravel. Turkey has over-reached itself. We'll have to see if more damaging revelations turn up but for the moment Turkey is looking pretty isolated and on the issue of Iran, in quite a difficult position. I think they're discovering that going it alone isn't quite so easy. With its EU accession going nowhere, Cyprus still under occupation and the Americans and Israelis turning up the heat, things are getting quite tricky for the Turks. Erdogan is becoming quite unpredictable so anything could happen.

[Nikitas]

"and American diplomats seemingly more concerned with their post-retirement pocketbooks than with U.S. national security."

This phrase, coming from an American, former government official, has very interesting implications.

[Nikitas]

I have often pointed out in past posts the cockiness of the Shah of Iran just before the fall. Retrieve those interviews and see the similarity with Turkey today.

Upstarts must know that when they rise too fast there are other, especially mid level players, ready to cut them down to size. When the Shah was stressing how Iran was soon to be more powerful militarily than Britain, richer than West Germany, what did he think was going to happen? Same is true when Turkey claims to be the second fastest growing economy after China and soon to be a trillion dollar economy.

[Cap]

Wolf in sheep's clothing.
That was close, the floodgates to hell almost opened onto Europe.


Anatolia belongs to the Muslim world. Except for Asia minor.

[Cap]

Bad news for Austria.

[Oracle]

" ... Turkey, meanwhile, has drifted out of the NATO orbit. Islamist Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited Iran on October 27 and denounced as "hearsay" claims that Iran intended to develop nuclear weapons and pronounced its nuclear program "peaceful"...."

Source: atimes.com

[paliometoxo]

does iran intend to use them on turkey?:D