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[paliometoxo]

YEA THEY WERE EVIL ,THE SCUM OF THE HEARTH ,WE ARE GOING TO COURT BUT AS YO KNOW THE COURTS IN CYPRUS TAKE YEARS,WE WILL BE LUCKY IF WE GET IN COURT BY FIVE YEARS ,THIS IS HOW THEY CRUCIFY PEOPLE
JANET

cant you go over their heads and go to a european court? or from the uk? make them speed up the process

[janet.smith653]

YEA THEY WERE EVIL ,THE SCUM OF THE HEARTH ,WE ARE GOING TO COURT BUT AS YO KNOW THE COURTS IN CYPRUS TAKE YEARS,WE WILL BE LUCKY IF WE GET IN COURT BY FIVE YEARS ,THIS IS HOW THEY CRUCIFY PEOPLE
JANET

cant you go over their heads and go to a european court? or from the uk? m
ake them speed up the process

ITS SO HARD WE SEEM THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOWN EVERY ROAD ,BUT HOPEFULLY THERE IS ONE ROAD WE MAY HAVE MISSED

[hissyfits]

Food for thought?

Landmark Supreme Court ruling means lawyers can be sued for negligence
By Stefanos Evripidou
Published on April 24, 2010

THE SUPREME Court has ordered a Paphos-based lawyer to pay around €120,000 to his former clients, a British couple, in compensation for money lost over a property contract prepared over a decade ago.

It is believed to be the first time that a Cypriot lawyer has been found professionally negligent by the highest court in the land and made to compensate for the money lost by their client. This raises the prospect of more negligence cases being filed against lawyers in property cases, ringing alarm bells within the legal community. Until now, lawyers have largely avoided or directly refused to take on their colleagues in any negligence lawsuit in Cyprus.

To fight their negligence case, the British couple hired the legal services of father and son, Antonis and Nicholas Georghiades, who run a small firm in Nicosia, advising among other things on the acquisition of immoveable property in Cyprus.

According to the three-judge panel of the Supreme Court on Wednesday, the defendant, Paphos lawyer Nicos Papakleovoulou - their original legal adviser - was liable to compensate the couple for the money they lost as a result of his negligence.

In 1999, the British couple chose to sell their property in England and move permanently to Cyprus to buy and live in their “dream house”. In November that year, they decided to buy land in Kinousa village in Paphos from a contractor on which he agreed to build them a three-bedroom villa.

The couple went to the defendant Papakleovoulou to prepare the necessary contracts which were then signed. It later transpired that the property had been mortgaged twice, an interest had been registered on the property, while the contractor went bankrupt. The couple lost all the money they had invested in the property and the chances of getting any back from the contractor were minimal.

They decided to sue their lawyer for negligence in the Paphos district court and lost. They appealed to the Supreme Court, which ruled in favour of the claimants.

The top court ruled that “lawyers do not have immunity”, noting that a lawyer, like any professional, was judged based on the level of care and skill expected from the average professional. This level was “neither that of the very talented professional nor one who possesses limited qualities”.

The Supreme Court judges set out the basic duties of a lawyer when delivering their services outside of the courtroom. These include that the lawyer advises his client with care, brings to his attention any problems, any inherent dangers, warns him of them and protects his interests. Despite the fact there is no legal obligation to do so, prudent lawyers should also aim to receive all instructions in writing, especially in cases of immoveable property.

The appeals court highlighted that the main aim of any property case was to acquire the relevant title deed.

“In the case of purchasing land, the ultimate aim is to secure, either immediately or in a time agreed upon, the title deeds for his client,” said the ruling.

The judges noted that where there was no title deed that could be immediately transferred, as in this case, the lawyer’s duties become more complicated, requiring expert knowledge and actions, “which is why the majority of buyers of immoveable property correctly turn to lawyers from whom they expect protection of their interests”.

The court employed a textbook check list for lawyers working on property cases. “The first issue the lawyer is obliged to investigate is the legality of the title deed of the intended vendor and that there are no registered charges or other legal impediments which could affect in future the transfer to his client of a title free of any encumbrances.”

On top of the duty to check for any charges registered against a property, lawyers will now be judged in future lawsuits on whether they fulfilled their duty “to warn his client of the dangers emanating from the possible insolvency of the vendor”.

In this case, it was deemed that the defendant had not met his duties, showing professional negligence. As a result he was ordered to compensate his former clients in a manner that they found themselves in the same position they would be in had the lawyer fulfilled his duties.

The judges concluded that compensation amounted to the money the plaintiffs paid to the vendors, which they would not have paid had they received the correct legal advice, amounting to around €120,000, included in which was €2,152 charged by the lawyer for preparing the contracts.

Landmark Supreme Court ruling means lawyers can be sued for negligence - Cyprus Mail

[yialousa1971]

Someone is kind enough to translate this text in English and maybe put the punctuation?
Do not know about you but my eyes are crossed at about the seventh row.

il nostro incubo è iniziato quando abbiamo portato una proprietà a Cipro che avevamo visitato molte volte Cipro e abbiamo avuto qualche bella vacanza. Avevamo sofferto un sacco di stress nel Regno Unito a causa di essere catturato la nostra figlia nel mondo selvaggio della droga ci era stato portando il nostro nipote su da 2 anni era ora di 14 e aveva tanto sofferto così abbiamo deciso di provare a dargli un po 'di vita migliore sapevamo cosa ci aspettava a Cipro abbiamo portato fuori dal piano di uno sviluppatore chiamato tsgangaris da avgouru il nostro avvocato è stato Karas Christos Paralimni da quando abbiamo assunto la nostra struttura non vi era acqua principale o elettrico nostra acqua proveniva da un pozzo da 40 a 50 metri lungo la strada i nostri elettrica era fornito da cavo da un vicini di casa attraverso la strada. presso questa volta attuali 20 mesi dopo non c'è acqua o elettrico per l'entrata in casa nostra più di marzo 2009 non ci fu permesso di fare un test di sbavatura, come il nostro agente immobiliare era morto e gli uffici erano chiusi non abbiamo potuto entrare in contatto con uno così siamo rimasti con solo lo sviluppatore non c'era molti problemi, ma non era interessato avesse avuto tutti i nostri money.we andati al nostro Karas avvocato che, inoltre, non era interessato non siamo riusciti a capire perché l'avvocato non ci avrebbe aiutato gli parve di lavorare di più per lo sviluppatore di noi motivo di essere è stato il suo avvocato e il nostro, allo stesso tempo. abbiamo quindi deciso di andare a un altro avvocato a guardare il nostro contratto ha scoperto non vi era alcuna pianificazione o di permesso di costruire, questo è stato un reato di illegale in Cipro. eravamo stati totalmente fuorviato e mentito. quando lo sviluppatore ha scoperto che era andato a un altro avvocato ha colpito il tetto ed è venuto a casa nostra urla e grida in greco. Poi le cose cominciarono a succedere tutti i nostri pneumatici sono stati tagliati sui nostri sacchi di cemento vettura sono stati gettati in piscina il frutto marcio è stato lanciato contro le nostre finestre questo stava diventando molto da bare.one giorno la moglie gli sviluppatori è venuto a casa nostra e ha dichiarato grida in greco poi ha improvvisamente cominciato a urlare in inglese, è stata gridando a squarciagola e divenne molto offensivo sue parole sono state le tue pazzo inglese tornare in Inghilterra stava mettendo il dito alla testa facendo gesti che eravamo pazzi, ha poi gridato Non importa quello che fai o dici qui nessuno ti ascolterà saranno sempre al nostro fianco, perché siamo cipriota ha addirittura minacciato di farci rinchiusi. Mi sentivo spaventato e non sapevo cosa fare, ma abbiamo deciso di andare alla polizia che avevamo precedentemente riportato tutti gli altri incidenti che era successo a noi. Abbiamo deciso di lasciare Cipro, perché non ne poteva più, quando siamo arrivati di nuovo in Inghilterra non avevamo dove andare a vivere non solo noi stessi dovevano pensate abbiamo anche avuto il nostro nipote che noi abbiamo contemplato come nostro figlio abbiamo pianto tanto per lui, come è stato anche la sofferenza siamo riusciti a ottenere alcuni dove vivere e stanno cercando di andare avanti a giugno di quest'anno siamo tornati a Cipro e ha chiesto un incontro con il sotto secratry al presidente al nostro shock siamo stati invitati nel palazzo i presidenti spiegato cosa era successo a noi e il governo aveva bisogno di porre fine agli sviluppatori storto e gli avvocati perché se lui non l'economia avrebbe sofferto di Cipro era d'accordo con noi e ci ha offerto il suo sostegno anche apparsa nella posta di Cipro e il cipriota Politis un documento fino ad oggi abbiamo ancora non hanno preso i nostri soldi indietro e stiamo trovando difficile finanziariamente Dio sa quando saremo mai in tribunale. L 'AVVOCATO sviluppatori che in realtà era nostro avvocato ALL'INIZIO DEL nostro incubo e l'avvocato SVILUPPATORI NELLO STESSO TEMPO SI nostro stupore e incredulità va a rappresentare il committente CORTE Come può essere consentito quando era il nostro avvocato che GOT Stati Uniti in This Mess L'ordine degli avvocati DEVONO ESSERE LUI BLOCCO Stiamo aspettando da 16 MESI PER UNA RIUNIONE disciplinare con l'Ordine degli Avvocati Ci avevano detto che non avremmo più aspettare DI 1 ANNO QUANDO SIETE 55 anni e voi tutto sciolto in un modo tanto crudele YOU NON PUO 'DESCRIVERE A TUTTI, come ti fa sentire che siamo ancora scrivendo lettere al governo COME DEVONO PRENDERE QUALCHE RESPONSABILITA' NON SIAMO UN NEMICO DI CIPRO SUOI un paese bellissimo SIAMO SOLO DUE PERSONE GENUINE onesti, che abbiano stata trattata molto CRUELY e in un vergognoso MODO mi sento MANGIARE DORMIRE RESPIRO E un incubo e che stiamo diventando SGOCCIOLATO non siamo mai stati ricchi e abbiamo usato i soldi della vendita della nostra casa nel Regno Unito che è stato 200,000 che era tutto ciò che avevamo solo scopo di cercare di dare il nostro nipotino una vita migliore siamo andati da un incubo dritto in un altro incubo. Ricordo che un giorno appena seduto lì, la mia testa ronzava ero costantemente cercando di trovare un modo per rendere le cose migliori di un pensiero folle entrato nella mia testa che cosa se scrivo per il cantante Peter Andre da Cipro forse si può essere in grado di aiutarci, lui viene da Cipro e ancora come proprietà lì. Poi ho pensato che non quello che stai facendo lui penserà che la donna è completamente matti, ma a volte lo stress della quello che come è successo travolgente finisco la mia storia dicendo a chiunque pensando all'acquisto di un immobile a Cipro, sì Cipro è un paese bellissimo ma per favore assicurati di controllare le cose a fondo befor la firma di documenti e assicurarsi di utilizzare un avvocato approvato dalla British High Commission in fine Nicosia dont nella posizione ci troviamo adesso se c'è qualcuno là fuori che POSSONO ESSERE IN GRADO DI OFFRIRE Stati Uniti qualche supporto o può fare qualcosa per aiutare USA POI DARCI UNA EMAIL SU JANET.SMITH53 @ BTINTERNET.COM O RING Stati Uniti SUL NOSTRO Telefonia fissa Regno Unito 024 76 346 120.
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[supporttheunderdog]

Someone is kind enough to translate this text in English and maybe put the punctuation?
Do not know about you but my eyes are crossed at about the seventh row.

Our nightmare began when we brought a property in Cyprus. We had visited Cyprus many times and we had some lovely holidays .We had been suffering a lot of stress in the UK due to our daughter being caught up in the savage world of drugs. We had been bringing our grandson up from the age of 2; he was now 14 and had suffered so much so we decided to try and give him a better life. Little did we know what was awaiting us in Cyprus?

We brought off plan from a developer called Tsangaris from Avgouru. Our lawyer was Christos Karas from Paralimni. When we took over our property there was no main water or electric. Our water came from a well about 40 to 50 meters down the road. our electric was supplied to us by cable from a neighbours across the road .at this present time 20 months later there is no water or electric, on taking our house over in march 2009 we was not allowed to do a snagging test as our estate agent had died and the offices were closed. We could not get in touch with any one so we were left with just the developer. There were many problems but he was not interested. He had had all of our money. We went to our lawyer Karas who also was not interested. We could not understand why the lawyer wouldn't help us. He seemed to be working more for the developer than us, the reason being he was his lawyer and ours at the same time.

We then decided to go to another lawyer. On looking at our contract he discovered there was no planning or building permit. This was an illegal offence in Cyprus. we had been totally misled and lied to .when the developer found out we had gone to another lawyer he hit the roof and came to our house screaming and shouting in Greek. Then things started to happen: all of our tyres were slashed on our car, bags of cement were thrown in the pool, and rotten fruit was thrown at our windows. This was getting too much for us to bear.

One day the developer’s wife came to our home and stated shouting in Greek, and then she suddenly started shouting in English. She was shouting at the top of her voice and became very abusive: her words were “your crazy English go back to England”. she was putting her finger to her head making gestures that we were crazy, she then shouted” it does not matter what you do or say here nobody will listen to you, they will always be on our side because we are Cypriot” she even threatened to get us locked up .

I felt frightened and I did not know what to do but we decided to go to the police, as we had previously reported all the other incidents that had happened to us.

We decided to leave Cyprus as we couldn't take any more when we arrived back in the UK we had no where to live. We not only had ourselves to think about we also had our grandson who we looked upon as our son. We cried so much for him as he was also suffering. We managed to get some where to live and are trying to move on in. June this year we went back to Cyprus and demanded a meeting with the under secretary to the president. To our shock we were invited into the president’s palace. I explained what had happened to us and the government needed to put a stop to crooked developers and lawyers because, if he didn't, the Cyprus economy would suffer. He agreed with us and offered his support; we also appeared in the Cyprus mail and the politis, a Cypriot paper.

To this day we have still have not got our money back and we are finding it difficult financially. God knows when we will ever get in court.

THE DEVELOPERS LAWYER, WHICH IN FACT WAS OUR LAWYER AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR NIGHTMARE, AND THE DEVELOPERS LAWYER AT THE SAME TIME, IS TO OUR SHOCK AND DISBELIEF GOING TO REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER IN. HOW CAN THIS BE ALLOWED WHEN HE WAS OUR LAWYER THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS? THE BAR ASSOCIATION SHOULD BE BARRING HIM. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING 16 MONTHS FOR A DISCIPLINARY MEETING WITH THE BAR ASSOCIATION. WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD NOT WAIT ANY LONGER THAN 1YEAR WHEN YOU ARE 55 YEARS OLD AND YOU LOOSE EVERYTHING IN SUCH A CRUEL WAY YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE TO ANYONE HOW IT MAKES YOU FEEL. WE ARE STILL WRITING LETTERS TO THE GOVERNMENT AS THEY MUST TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY. WE ARE NOT AN ENEMY OF CYPRUS: IT’S A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY. WE ARE JUST TWO GENUINE HONEST PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TREATED VERY CRUELY AND IN SUCH A SHAMEFUL WAY. I FEEL I AM EATING BREATHING AND SLEEPING A NIGHTMARE AND WE ARE BECOMING DRAINED.
We were never rich people and we used the money from the sale of our house in the UK which was 200.000 that was all we had solely for the purpose to try and give our grandson a better life. we went from one nightmare straight into another nightmare .I remember one day just sitting there, my head was buzzing I was constantly trying to find a way to make things better: a crazy thought came into my head what if I write to peter Andre the singer from Cyprus perhaps he may be able to help us, he comes from Cyprus and still as property there .Then I thought no what are you doing he will think that woman is totally bonkers but sometimes the stress of what as happened overpowering. I end my story by saying to anyone considering buying a property in Cyprus ,yes Cyprus is a lovely country but please make sure you check things thoroughly before signing any documents and make sure you use a lawyer approved by the British High Commission in Nicosia don’t end up in the position we are in now.

IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO OFFER US SOME SUPPORT OR CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP US THEN GIVE US AN EMAIL ON [email protected] OR RING US ON OUR UK LANDLINE PHONE 024 76 346 120.
WE WILL BE INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMENTS


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[apc2010]

supporttheunderdog , well done for taking the time , hope these people find peace in their life.........
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[Get Real!]

LEGAL AID IN CYPRUS

www.mjpo.gov.cy/mjpo/mjpo.nsf/0e1012448 ... CYPRUS.pdf

Do not click on this link... just grab and paste it to your browser's address field.

[Get Real!]

"He seemed to be working more for the developer than us, the reason being he was his lawyer and ours at the same time."

It should be pointed out that a certain level of shrewdness is a basic prerequisite for anyone intending to engage in any kind of financial transactions in a foreign country.

[ashleigh]

Hi Janet, i am pretty much in the same position as you, SAME developer, SAME lawyer. I am taking legal action against them. I think you may have spoken to my ex partner in the corner pin one day (this situation played a part in wrecking our relationship), a few months ago. The house is there but with so many defects, that render it unsellable, and we paid for 837sqm of land and only ended up with 500sqm. This action will take, from what ive been told, two years or more. My life is ruined now. Rest assured, i will not let them away with this. I came to Cyprus for a better life. I was widowed and left with two young children and worked two jobs to keep my home in the UK and my life was so hard. I have been coming here for the past 40 years as my father was cypriot and i vowed i would one day settle here. I love the island and i love the people but if my father knew what has happened to me, he would turn in his grave. So Janet, i sympathise with you, dont give up!, i won't. I have nothing left to lose and what keeps me going is that, one day, justice might be done. I dont want to say anything else other than we will both need all the luck in the world.

[ashleigh]

Can i just add that this developer has stands at many of the property abroad exhibitions that take place in the UK. There used to be a photo of him, his wife, and the lawyer. taken at their stand in London on the wall of his office in Avgorou. The last time i was at his office, i noticed that the same photo was there but with the lawyer masked out. They are however, still very much working together. Also note that his facebook boasts an annual turnover of 30 million!!! Disgusting.