vaughanwilliams wrote:Kikapu wrote:vaughanwilliams wrote:Kikapu wrote:vaughanwilliams wrote:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-f10d-11df-bb17-00144feab49a.html#axzz15QufV89Z
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VW, as usual, you are only firing on one cyclinder in your V8.
The article talks about possible issues between Greece and the EU. 
What does any of this has to do with the RoC being in the EU.??? Let the EU and Greece sort out their problems, assuming they have any over the RoC. One would think, that if the EU had issues with Greece over the RoC becoming a EU member, then the EU could have easily let Greece go bankrupt by not helping them financially. It would have been a perfect opportunity to give some
"payback" to Greece by the EU if they felt they had been blackmailed by them, don't you think.?? Instead, the EU just payed up and nothing else.!
The RoC is now a EU member who are equal to all other 26 members. If Turkey wants to be in the EU also, she will need to satisfy
ALL the EU members before she can become one.
What does it feel like for "Mighty Turkey" to find herself in a position of political helplessness over a small country, the RoC, that they have been part occupying militarily for the past 36 years, which now, the RoC controls Turkeys' destiny for their EU membership dreams.?
How does Turkey go from being a military victors to a political defeat to become the underdogs at the hands of what was seemingly a defeated RoC in 1974.??
The whole RoC-Turkey saga is not completed yet, but at this point in time, the trend is becoming more and more resembling
David vs. Goliath story, does it not.??
Are you seriously suggesting that Greece blackmailed the EU over Cyprus' entry into the EU for Greeces own benefit, and that it was not in collusion with RoC?
The RoC did not deceive the EU with anything to become an EU member, did they.??
If you think they have, then lets hear what their deceptions were.?
What makes you think the EU did not allow the RoC into the club willingly, just to "level the playing field" between the RoC and Turkey, just to secure the island as a 100% EU territory. After all, the island is in a very unique location that everyone seems to want part of it. With one scoop, the EU got all 100% of it without firing a single shot. If they didn't want the island as is with internal political problems, they could have easily not added "Protocol 10" and only take in the part that was under the RoC's control. I'm sure that would have been enough for Greece to settle for, if in fact they were trying to blackmail the EU. Sounds to me like, the EU wanted the whole 100%, and that's what they got.
What ever discussions the RoC and Greece may have had between them about how Greece was going to help the RoC to get into the EU, has nothing to do with the RoC on what ever Greece did or did not do in your "blackmail" claims. If Greece "blackmailed" the EU to get the RoC into the EU, then that would be between Greece and the EU. It has nothing to do with the RoC benefiting from what ever transaction (agreements) has occurred between Greece and the EU. The RoC was not the only country who had benefited from that agreement between Greece and the EU. There were 9 other countries who had benefited by becoming EU members, and lets not forget that the EU also benefiting from 12 additional countries becoming EU members as a result of that agreement between Greece and the EU. The EU had the option to say NO to Greece if they felt that they were being blackmailed, but they did not, and as a result, a 15 EU members club has become a 27 EU members club, and will become even larger in the future. Sounds to me like, the EU got the better of the deal between themselves and Greece, on what ever their agreements was. If Greece got the RoC into the club, so be it, but they have also gotten additional 11 more members into the club arriving from that agreement with the EU, with more on the way. If the EU was blackmailed, then why didn't they let Greece go bankrupt instead of bailing them out.?? What is your complaint exactly.??
Well, it's not only me that thinks it:
"I personally feel that I have been cheated by the government of the Republic of Cyprus," EU Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen told the European parliament, meeting in Strasbourg.
http://www.cyprusive.com/?CID=510
I thought we were talking about the alleged Greece blackmailing the EU, but since you have lost that argument as it seems, you now want to lose another argument by bringing in this idiot, Guenter Verheugen and the Annan Plan into the conversation. OK, lets do it.!
VW, you would do best not to quote Guenter Verheugen for anything in trying to win a losing argument, because he will only make you look foolish. He got bruised very badly for his foolishness in trying to double-cross the RoC. The fact that the RoC sent him packing like a little boy crying his eyes out, it was his own downfall for trying to destroy the RoC by pushing for the Annan Plan with disguised partition. He got what he deserved.
Show me anywhere that is written that the EU was promised by the RoC and it's citizens that they would accept the AP.? The agreement was to have a referendum, and that's what they got. They did not get a guarantee "YES" vote, not did they get a "YES" vote from the RoC. The fact that Papadopoulos outfoxed everyone, including this idiot, Guenter Verheugen in his attempt top double-cross the RoC, it does not mean that the RoC cheated the EU. Your quote said " "I (Guenter Verheugen) personally feel that I have been cheated by the government of the Republic of Cyprus,". It doesn't say anything about the EU being cheated, does it.?? Guenter Verheugen tried dirty tricks on his own and got burned for it, the idiot, Guenter Verheugen.
Here is another quote from this idiot, Guenter Verheugen. Show me anywhere in this article where the RoC promised this idiot, Guenter Verheugen anything. As far as he was saying, everything is going well in his answer to the question asked of him.
Date published: 07/11/02
Interview with Enlargement Commissioner, Günter Verheugen.Q. As Enlargement Commissioner, you are responsible for concluding accession negotiations with at least 10 countries by the end of this year. Are things on track?A. This is an enormous challenge for the candidate countries and Member States, but I believe we will be successful. This enlargement is better prepared than any other and, providing progress is maintained until the end of the year, I am convinced we will manage to complete an enlargement like no other in the history of the EU. The European Council under the Danish Presidency has accepted our recommendations about those countries the Commission considers ready for accession. Between now and the Copenhagen Council we will be working to finalise the accession talks, paving the way for these countries to take part in the European Parliament elections in 2004. For those not part of this first wave, the process will continue; an updated road map and pre-accession strategy will be put in place, together with a renewed effort to finalise negotiations.
http://ec.europa.eu/research/news-centr ... pol02.html
