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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:38 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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vaughanwilliams wrote:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-f10d-11df-bb17-00144feab49a.html#axzz15QufV89Z

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VW, as usual, you are only firing on one cyclinder in your V8. :wink:

The article talks about possible issues between Greece and the EU. :roll: :roll:

What does any of this has to do with the RoC being in the EU.??? :roll: :roll:


Let the EU and Greece sort out their problems, assuming they have any over the RoC. One would think, that if the EU had issues with Greece over the RoC becoming a EU member, then the EU could have easily let Greece go bankrupt by not helping them financially. It would have been a perfect opportunity to give some "payback" to Greece by the EU if they felt they had been blackmailed by them, don't you think.?? Instead, the EU just payed up and nothing else.!

The RoC is now a EU member who are equal to all other 26 members. If Turkey wants to be in the EU also, she will need to satisfy ALL the EU members before she can become one.

What does it feel like for "Mighty Turkey" to find herself in a position of political helplessness over a small country, the RoC, that they have been part occupying militarily for the past 36 years, which now, the RoC controls Turkeys' destiny for their EU membership dreams.?

How does Turkey go from being a military victors to a political defeat to become the underdogs at the hands of what was seemingly a defeated RoC in 1974.??

The whole RoC-Turkey saga is not completed yet, but at this point in time, the trend is becoming more and more resembling David vs. Goliath story, does it not.??


Are you seriously suggesting that Greece blackmailed the EU over Cyprus' entry into the EU for Greeces own benefit, and that it was not in collusion with RoC?
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The RoC did not deceive the EU with anything to become an EU member, did they.??

If you think they have, then lets hear what their deceptions were.?

What makes you think the EU did not allow the RoC into the club willingly, just to "level the playing field" between the RoC and Turkey, just to secure the island as a 100% EU territory.
After all, the island is in a very unique location that everyone seems to want part of it. With one scoop, the EU got all 100% of it without firing a single shot. If they didn't want the island as is with internal political problems, they could have easily not added "Protocol 10" and only take in the part that was under the RoC's control. I'm sure that would have been enough for Greece to settle for, if in fact they were trying to blackmail the EU. Sounds to me like, the EU wanted the whole 100%, and that's what they got.

What ever discussions the RoC and Greece may have had between them about how Greece was going to help the RoC to get into the EU, has nothing to do with the RoC on what ever Greece did or did not do in your "blackmail" claims. If Greece "blackmailed" the EU to get the RoC into the EU, then that would be between Greece and the EU. It has nothing to do with the RoC benefiting from what ever transaction (agreements) has occurred between Greece and the EU. The RoC was not the only country who had benefited from that agreement between Greece and the EU. There were 9 other countries who had benefited by becoming EU members, and lets not forget that the EU also benefiting from 12 additional countries becoming EU members as a result of that agreement between Greece and the EU. The EU had the option to say NO to Greece if they felt that they were being blackmailed, but they did not, and as a result, a 15 EU members club has become a 27 EU members club, and will become even larger in the future. Sounds to me like, the EU got the better of the deal between themselves and Greece, on what ever their agreements was. If Greece got the RoC into the club, so be it, but they have also gotten additional 11 more members into the club arriving from that agreement with the EU, with more on the way. If the EU was blackmailed, then why didn't they let Greece go bankrupt instead of bailing them out.?? What is your complaint exactly.??


Well, it's not only me that thinks it:

"I personally feel that I have been cheated by the government of the Republic of Cyprus," EU Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen told the European parliament, meeting in Strasbourg.

http://www.cyprusive.com/?CID=510
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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby Dr. Fappo » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:42 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Well, it's not only me that thinks it:

"I personally feel that I have been cheated by the government of the Republic of Cyprus," EU Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen told the European parliament, meeting in Strasbourg.

http://www.cyprusive.com/?CID=510


What does he know about our country. Some silly petty foreigner with an 'agenda'.

The great grandfather of the mother of the neighbor's baby cousin also thought the same thing, till he realised that the solution proposed by kofi Anan was to diminish the country into 2 monkey protectorates.

The majority of the E.U countries have communities within their countries that want to split off from the mother country (the Catalans, the Basques, the Welsh, the Scotts, the Sicilians), and we... who have the effing luxury to be our own country... have idiot collectives who think that it would be much better if we were all entirely dependant and subservient to Turkey and Greece.

The fact is that when Cyprus was part of the Byzantine empire, people fought tooth and dagger to gain atleast partial independence from the main empire... some of these 'priviledges' we gained were even maintained when Cyprus was part of the Ottoman empire, and some of them still stand. (e.g. the church of cyprus is autocefalus).

Fuck both Turkey and Greece. We don't need them. If you feel like you need them, get on a plane and move there... you are no cypriot... you are turkish... or greek.
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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:58 pm

Dr. Fappo wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Well, it's not only me that thinks it:

"I personally feel that I have been cheated by the government of the Republic of Cyprus," EU Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen told the European parliament, meeting in Strasbourg.

http://www.cyprusive.com/?CID=510


What does he know about our country. Some silly petty foreigner with an 'agenda'.

The great grandfather of the mother of the neighbor's baby cousin also thought the same thing, till he realised that the solution proposed by kofi Anan was to diminish the country into 2 monkey protectorates.

The majority of the E.U countries have communities within their countries that want to split off from the mother country (the Catalans, the Basques, the Welsh, the Scotts, the Sicilians), and we... who have the effing luxury to be our own country... have idiot collectives who think that it would be much better if we were all entirely dependant and subservient to Turkey and Greece.

The fact is that when Cyprus was part of the Byzantine empire, people fought tooth and dagger to gain atleast partial independence from the main empire... some of these 'priviledges' we gained were even maintained when Cyprus was part of the Ottoman empire, and some of them still stand. (e.g. the church of cyprus is autocefalus).

Fuck both Turkey and Greece. We don't need them. If you feel like you need them, get on a plane and move there... you are no cypriot... you are turkish... or greek.


Err, he was the EU Commissioner and his remit was the Enlargement of the EU. Hardly "Some silly petty foreigner with an 'agenda'.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:13 pm

err...scummy and his paid job was?...
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Postby paliometoxo » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:15 pm

they black mail and threaten every one, this is no surprise.. turkey blackmailing is their thing its all they know how to do.. along with threatening
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:24 pm

paliometoxo wrote:they black mail and threaten every one, this is no surprise.. turkey blackmailing is their thing its all they know how to do.. along with threatening


They? This thread is about Greece blackmailing and RoC cheating the EU...
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Postby Gregory » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:39 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:they black mail and threaten every one, this is no surprise.. turkey blackmailing is their thing its all they know how to do.. along with threatening


They? This thread is about Greece blackmailing and RoC cheating the EU...


There's no denying it, Greece did blackmail and Cyprus did cheat the EU. We managed to blackmail and cheat the UK, Germany, France Sweden etc etc....

just think what we can do to the Turks 8)
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Postby boomerang » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:43 pm

so scummy how do you explain the roc was invited to join the EU when the banana plan wasn't even conceived yet?...

or you think the roc was stupid enough to promise the eu they would back any banana plan that came marching in...

patten is still sore cos the uk got nothing out of the rejection of the banana plan...massive gains were in store for the british but unfortunately not everyone is a fool...

and patten can kiss my ass as your country invaded another country as per your pimps instructions...lying to the whole wide world...

and speaking of cheats and liars scummy who's property are you currently occupying?...
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Postby paliometoxo » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:48 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:they black mail and threaten every one, this is no surprise.. turkey blackmailing is their thing its all they know how to do.. along with threatening


They? This thread is about Greece blackmailing and RoC cheating the EU...


lol you see the word blackmail and immediately you think turkey...
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:49 pm

boomerang wrote:so scummy how do you explain the roc was invited to join the EU when the banana plan wasn't even conceived yet?...

or you think the roc was stupid enough to promise the eu they would back any banana plan that came marching in...

patten is still sore cos the uk got nothing out of the rejection of the banana plan...massive gains were in store for the british but unfortunately not everyone is a fool...

and patten can kiss my ass as your country invaded another country as per your pimps instructions...lying to the whole wide world...

and speaking of cheats and liars scummy who's property are you currently occupying?...


Which patten (sic) would that be, then?
General Patten or Chris Patten, last govenor of Hong Kong?
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