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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:19 pm

This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


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ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:06 pm

Oracle wrote:This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


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ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:


He is, and he's waiting to greet the next GC "This is my house" visitor from the Dark Side.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:02 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


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ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:


He is, and he's waiting to greet the next GC "This is my house" visitor from the Dark Side.
:lol:

The only time Vaughanwilliams looks good on the CF is when foolish Oracle sets him up for a slam dunk! :lol:

Pray she never abandons the CF or you’ll have nothing to post! :wink:
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


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ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:


He is, and he's waiting to greet the next GC "This is my house" visitor from the Dark Side.
:lol:

The only time Vaughanwilliams looks good on the CF is when foolish Oracle sets him up for a slam dunk! :lol:

Pray she never abandons the CF or you’ll have nothing to post! :wink:


Haven't you twigged yet? She's on my payroll.
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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby Kikapu » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:31 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-f10d-11df-bb17-00144feab49a.html#axzz15QufV89Z

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VW, as usual, you are only firing on one cyclinder in your V8. :wink:

The article talks about possible issues between Greece and the EU. :roll: :roll:

What does any of this has to do with the RoC being in the EU.??? :roll: :roll:

Let the EU and Greece sort out their problems, assuming they have any over the RoC. One would think, that if the EU had issues with Greece over the RoC becoming a EU member, then the EU could have easily let Greece go bankrupt by not helping them financially. It would have been a perfect opportunity to give some "payback" to Greece by the EU if they felt they had been blackmailed by them, don't you think.?? Instead, the EU just payed up and nothing else.!

The RoC is now a EU member who are equal to all other 26 members. If Turkey wants to be in the EU also, she will need to satisfy ALL the EU members before she can become one.

What does it feel like for "Mighty Turkey" to find herself in a position of political helplessness over a small country, the RoC, that they have been part occupying militarily for the past 36 years, which now, the RoC controls Turkeys' destiny for their EU membership dreams.?

How does Turkey go from being a military victors to a political defeat to become the underdogs at the hands of what was seemingly a defeated RoC in 1974.??

The whole RoC-Turkey saga is not completed yet, but at this point in time, the trend is becoming more and more resembling David vs. Goliath story, does it not.??
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


Image

ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:


He is, and he's waiting to greet the next GC "This is my house" visitor from the Dark Side.
:lol:

The only time Vaughanwilliams looks good on the CF is when foolish Oracle sets him up for a slam dunk! :lol:

Pray she never abandons the CF or you’ll have nothing to post! :wink:


Sorry, I don't rate his predictable, knee-jerk response to hiring criminal fugitives to protect him from GCs as a slam dunk; more a tripping over his own toes. He's just emasculated 43,000 Turkish troops! :D
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:16 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is more what you need to concern yourself with, VW:


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ONE of Australia's most wanted men - the alleged drug lord Hakan Ayik - has fled custody.

Is he hiding in "your" shed? :lol:


He is, and he's waiting to greet the next GC "This is my house" visitor from the Dark Side.
:lol:

The only time Vaughanwilliams looks good on the CF is when foolish Oracle sets him up for a slam dunk! :lol:

Pray she never abandons the CF or you’ll have nothing to post! :wink:


Sorry, I don't rate his predictable, knee-jerk response to hiring criminal fugitives to protect him from GCs as a slam dunk; more a tripping over his own toes. He's just emasculated 43,000 Turkish troops! :D


Who said anything about hiring? I know Hakan normally kills people for money, but he likes GCs - he's happy to kill them for free!
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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:22 am

Kikapu wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-f10d-11df-bb17-00144feab49a.html#axzz15QufV89Z

You may have to register (free) to read this.


VW, as usual, you are only firing on one cyclinder in your V8. :wink:

The article talks about possible issues between Greece and the EU. :roll: :roll:

What does any of this has to do with the RoC being in the EU.??? :roll: :roll:


Let the EU and Greece sort out their problems, assuming they have any over the RoC. One would think, that if the EU had issues with Greece over the RoC becoming a EU member, then the EU could have easily let Greece go bankrupt by not helping them financially. It would have been a perfect opportunity to give some "payback" to Greece by the EU if they felt they had been blackmailed by them, don't you think.?? Instead, the EU just payed up and nothing else.!

The RoC is now a EU member who are equal to all other 26 members. If Turkey wants to be in the EU also, she will need to satisfy ALL the EU members before she can become one.

What does it feel like for "Mighty Turkey" to find herself in a position of political helplessness over a small country, the RoC, that they have been part occupying militarily for the past 36 years, which now, the RoC controls Turkeys' destiny for their EU membership dreams.?

How does Turkey go from being a military victors to a political defeat to become the underdogs at the hands of what was seemingly a defeated RoC in 1974.??

The whole RoC-Turkey saga is not completed yet, but at this point in time, the trend is becoming more and more resembling David vs. Goliath story, does it not.??


Are you seriously suggesting that Greece blackmailed the EU over Cyprus' entry into the EU for Greeces own benefit, and that it was not in collusion with RoC?
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Postby Gasman » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:30 am

That bloke's not 'hiding' anywhere - he can be seen on any beach hereabouts - and many more like him! They wear those little bikini bottom swim trunks.
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Re: "EU Blackmailed" - ex-US Ambassador

Postby Kikapu » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:12 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-f10d-11df-bb17-00144feab49a.html#axzz15QufV89Z

You may have to register (free) to read this.


VW, as usual, you are only firing on one cyclinder in your V8. :wink:

The article talks about possible issues between Greece and the EU. :roll: :roll:

What does any of this has to do with the RoC being in the EU.??? :roll: :roll:


Let the EU and Greece sort out their problems, assuming they have any over the RoC. One would think, that if the EU had issues with Greece over the RoC becoming a EU member, then the EU could have easily let Greece go bankrupt by not helping them financially. It would have been a perfect opportunity to give some "payback" to Greece by the EU if they felt they had been blackmailed by them, don't you think.?? Instead, the EU just payed up and nothing else.!

The RoC is now a EU member who are equal to all other 26 members. If Turkey wants to be in the EU also, she will need to satisfy ALL the EU members before she can become one.

What does it feel like for "Mighty Turkey" to find herself in a position of political helplessness over a small country, the RoC, that they have been part occupying militarily for the past 36 years, which now, the RoC controls Turkeys' destiny for their EU membership dreams.?

How does Turkey go from being a military victors to a political defeat to become the underdogs at the hands of what was seemingly a defeated RoC in 1974.??

The whole RoC-Turkey saga is not completed yet, but at this point in time, the trend is becoming more and more resembling David vs. Goliath story, does it not.??


Are you seriously suggesting that Greece blackmailed the EU over Cyprus' entry into the EU for Greeces own benefit, and that it was not in collusion with RoC?
:roll:


The RoC did not deceive the EU with anything to become an EU member, did they.??

If you think they have, then lets hear what their deceptions were.?

What makes you think the EU did not allow the RoC into the club willingly, just to "level the playing field" between the RoC and Turkey, just to secure the island as a 100% EU territory. After all, the island is in a very unique location that everyone seems to want part of it. With one scoop, the EU got all 100% of it without firing a single shot. If they didn't want the island as is with internal political problems, they could have easily not added "Protocol 10" and only take in the part that was under the RoC's control. I'm sure that would have been enough for Greece to settle for, if in fact they were trying to blackmail the EU. Sounds to me like, the EU wanted the whole 100%, and that's what they got.

What ever discussions the RoC and Greece may have had between them about how Greece was going to help the RoC to get into the EU, has nothing to do with the RoC on what ever Greece did or did not do in your "blackmail" claims. If Greece "blackmailed" the EU to get the RoC into the EU, then that would be between Greece and the EU. It has nothing to do with the RoC benefiting from what ever transaction (agreements) has occurred between Greece and the EU. The RoC was not the only country who had benefited from that agreement between Greece and the EU. There were 9 other countries who had benefited by becoming EU members, and lets not forget that the EU also benefiting from 12 additional countries becoming EU members as a result of that agreement between Greece and the EU. The EU had the option to say NO to Greece if they felt that they were being blackmailed, but they did not, and as a result, a 15 EU members club has become a 27 EU members club, and will become even larger in the future. Sounds to me like, the EU got the better of the deal between themselves and Greece, on what ever their agreements was. If Greece got the RoC into the club, so be it, but they have also gotten additional 11 more members into the club arriving from that agreement with the EU, with more on the way. If the EU was blackmailed, then why didn't they let Greece go bankrupt instead of bailing them out.?? What is your complaint exactly.??
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