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Postby DTA » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:02 pm

Gr is my statement above correct or false?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:07 pm

DTA wrote:Gr is my statement above correct or false?

You tell me...


All the articles stem from a Library of Congress module called “A Country Study:”

http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html#cy0023


If you then click on the Library of Congress Call Number DS54.A3 C955 1993 you’ll get…


Cyprus : a country study / Federal Research Division, Library of Congress...

http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebreco ... s+per+page

For all their references.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:18 pm

Published/Created: Washington, D.C. : Dept. of the Army : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. G.P.O., [1993]


Now you must explain why your sweeping allegations…

“Gr you are being disingenuous what you are quoting is from the gc account of events presented to congress. Propaganda at its best”

…were NOT supplied with credible supporting evidence but assumptions!
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Postby Gasman » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:From the Library of Congress again…

(3rd paragraph)

“Severe intercommunal fighting occurred in March and April 1964. When the worst of the fighting was over, Turkish Cypriots--sometimes of their own volition and at other times forced by the TMT--began moving from isolated rural areas and mixed villages into enclaves.”


http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)


Now what have you got to say for yourself Loverboy?


From the library of congress again...

On August 14, immediately on the breakup of the second round of Geneva talks, two divisions of the Turkish Army advanced beyond their cease-fire positions. During the three-day offensive, Greek Cypriot resistance crumpled under heavy air, armor, and artillery bombardment. Civilians, alarmed by reports of atrocities during the first Turkish campaign, fled ahead of the advancing troops, who proceeded unimpeded through much of northern Cyprus. By August 16, the Turkish advance had reached the predetermined "Attila Line," behind which troops occupied 37 percent of Cypriot territory, and Turkey ordered a cease-fire
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:28 pm

Gasman wrote:
Get Real! wrote:From the Library of Congress again…

(3rd paragraph)

“Severe intercommunal fighting occurred in March and April 1964. When the worst of the fighting was over, Turkish Cypriots--sometimes of their own volition and at other times forced by the TMT--began moving from isolated rural areas and mixed villages into enclaves.”


http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)


Now what have you got to say for yourself Loverboy?


From the library of congress again...

On August 14, immediately on the breakup of the second round of Geneva talks, two divisions of the Turkish Army advanced beyond their cease-fire positions. During the three-day offensive, Greek Cypriot resistance crumpled under heavy air, armor, and artillery bombardment. Civilians, alarmed by reports of atrocities during the first Turkish campaign, fled ahead of the advancing troops, who proceeded unimpeded through much of northern Cyprus. By August 16, the Turkish advance had reached the predetermined "Attila Line," behind which troops occupied 37 percent of Cypriot territory, and Turkey ordered a cease-fire

Why have you linked what I was on about with this piece and what is the point you were making here? :?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:40 pm

Gasman wrote:Interesting. I've seen it stated many times that GCs were promised Enosis by Britain.

In late 1946, the British government announced plans to liberalize the colonial administration of Cyprus and to invite Cypriots to form a Consultative Assembly for the purpose of discussing a new constitution. Demonstrating their good will and conciliatory attitude, the British also allowed the return of the 1931 exiles, repealed the 1937 religious laws, and pardoned the leftists who had been convicted of sedition in 1946. Instead of rejoicing, as expected by the British, the Greek Cypriot hierarchy reacted angrily, because there had been no mention of enosis. Response to the governor's invitations to the Consultative Assembly was mixed. The Church of Cyprus had expressed its disapproval, and twenty-two Greek Cypriots declined to appear, stating that enosis was their sole political aim.

I forgot to take you up on this earlier...

Actually, Britain DID promise enosis (as much as I hate it) to GCs in return for their participation/assistance in WWII and the Cypriots did go along believing it to be a promise and in the end lost 2,500 odd men...

http://www.cyprusveterans.com.cy/contributionww2.php

…so naturally they were horrified upon returning and having shed their blood that it was all lies!

Hence the birth of EOKA!
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Postby DTA » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:11 am

Gr again I will ask was what you quoted taken by congress presented to them by gcs?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:36 am

DTA wrote:Gr again I will ask was what you quoted taken by congress presented to them by gcs?

The author’s Foreword section also speaks for itself if you bother to read it...

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0001)

If you need more detail than that you'll have to take it up with the Library of Congress. :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:37 am

DTA wrote:Gr again I will ask was what you quoted taken by congress presented to them by gcs?


The Congressmen were sitting in the Chamber of deputies :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:06 am

Why doesn’t Deniz tell us why he left Anglisides (very close to Larnaca) in 1963(?)…

Did GC gunmen coerce you?

Did TC gunmen coerce you?

By your own volition?

Turkish Cypriots on this forum seem so shy you’d be forgiven for suspecting they’ve got something to hide! :lol:
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