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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:None of these links work :twisted: :twisted:

Grab the whole damn line and chuck it in the address line!


Malista kyrie :roll:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:43 pm

Still no joy.

No point reading them in deference to your hating the damn yankees. :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:56 pm

If you want to read it Deniz - here is a proper link.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field%28DOCID+cy0023%29
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Postby Gasman » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:57 pm

Hang on! GR posting stuff from the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS?

I thought he didn't believe a word the Americans spoke!
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Postby Jerry » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:From the Library of Congress again…

(3rd paragraph)

“Severe intercommunal fighting occurred in March and April 1964. When the worst of the fighting was over, Turkish Cypriots--sometimes of their own volition and at other times forced by the TMT--began moving from isolated rural areas and mixed villages into enclaves.”


http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)


Now what have you got to say for yourself Loverboy?


Martin Packard, relating his ex-serviceman’s adventures and point of view in his book, gives precise details of the circumstances under which TCs left their homes - something that The Library of Congress fails to do.

Packard had some success, at a local level, in bringing the two sides together and reducing communal tensions but left the island suddenly mid mission after George Ball told him "boy you've got it wrong"

Turkish premier Ismet Inonu's own admission makes clear his country's motives: -
President Johnson sent what acting Secretary of State George Ball described as "the most brutal diplomatic note I have ever seen". In it he threatened to drop NATO's guarantee to defend Turkey if their action prompted a Soviet intervention. To back up the note, he moved a naval task force including one carrier, one cruiser and four destroyers into position within reach of Cyprus. Turkish premier Ismet Inonu admitted to the Americans that the key aim of the Turkish military threat was to stop the Packard plan to reintegrate the villages dead in its tracks, and prevent any UN mediation which might force Turkey to give up the progress it had made towards Turkish-Cypriot separatism.
http://www.peace-cyprus.org/Memories/Omalley.html
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:51 pm

Gasman wrote:If you want to read it Deniz - here is a proper link.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field%28DOCID+cy0023%29



Oh, alwight den. :lol:


Taa......
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Postby Gasman » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:51 pm

From the library of congress again:

British foreign secretary Anthony Eden, hinted that the Cyprus problem would be resolved when the war had been won. Churchill, then prime minister, also made some vague allusions to the postwar settlement of the problem. The wartime governor of the island stated without equivocation that enosis was not being considered, but it is probable that the Greek Cypriots heard only those voices that they wanted to hear.


Interesting. I've seen it stated many times that GCs were promised Enosis by Britain.

In late 1946, the British government announced plans to liberalize the colonial administration of Cyprus and to invite Cypriots to form a Consultative Assembly for the purpose of discussing a new constitution. Demonstrating their good will and conciliatory attitude, the British also allowed the return of the 1931 exiles, repealed the 1937 religious laws, and pardoned the leftists who had been convicted of sedition in 1946. Instead of rejoicing, as expected by the British, the Greek Cypriot hierarchy reacted angrily, because there had been no mention of enosis. Response to the governor's invitations to the Consultative Assembly was mixed. The Church of Cyprus had expressed its disapproval, and twenty-two Greek Cypriots declined to appear, stating that enosis was their sole political aim.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:55 pm

Gasman wrote:From the library of congress again:

British foreign secretary Anthony Eden, hinted that the Cyprus problem would be resolved when the war had been won. Churchill, then prime minister, also made some vague allusions to the postwar settlement of the problem. The wartime governor of the island stated without equivocation that enosis was not being considered, but it is probable that the Greek Cypriots heard only those voices that they wanted to hear.

And by the same token, Churchill was hearing only the voices he wanted to hear! :lol:
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Postby DTA » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:58 pm

Gr you are being disingenuous what you are quoting is from the gc account of events presented to congress.

Propaganda at its best
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:00 pm

DTA wrote:Gr you are being disingenuous what you are quoting is from the gc account of events presented to congress.

Propaganda at its best

Then you haven't read enough of those essays to see the very obvious neutrality.
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