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[humanist]

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Cyprus - The Member of the European Parliament Philippe Juvin (European People’s Party) criticizes the statements of the Turkish Prime Minister

The Member of the European Parliament Mr Philippe Juvin (European People’s Party) issued, on 10 November 2010, a Press Release entitled: “The attitude of the Turkish Prime Minister is a caricature of arrogance”, where he criticizes Mr Erdogan’s statements.

More specifically, in the Press Release, Mr Juvin refers to statements made by Mr Erdogan that “as long as Turkey does not become an EU member; the EU will not acquire a decisive role in the international political scene”. Mr Juvin notes that the attitude of the Turkish Prime Minister confirms what many people in Europe are afraid of, that Turkey behaves as a conqueror and wants to impose its way of thinking on other EU member states. The Member of the European Parliament asks Turkey, inter alia, to withdraw its troops, which continue to occupy, militarily, part of a member state. Concluding, Mr Juvin urges Mr Erdogan to stop delivering lessons to Europeans. He notes that in Europe Mr Erdogan must learn humility, which, obviously, to achieve he has a long way to go

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[Get Real!]

Have you read the latest comments by Ban Ki Mooooooooooo about his decision to witdraw UN troops and the decision to place a time line on the talks? The UN has sold us out. A small State that counts for nothing in world politics.

Ever heard of bluffing? For as long as there is no danger to UN troops the UN is OBLIGED to remain for as long as Cyprus allows and pays her dues.

Second, so what if UN troops where to depart? That would give a great opportunity for skirmishes to break out and for the deadlock to break.

Now who is going to be under pressure when skirmishes break out on EU territory?

[humanist]

GR thats one way to look at it, I object strongly to lives lost for some land. Whilst your right in saying that it may become a precursor to a solution and this time it will be division for sure, I'd hate to think more lives will be lost.

[humanist]

You may have missed the above article ...........

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ttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8e2a52d0-ee90-11df-9db0-00144feab49a.html#ixzz15I3TVw00

Cyprus endgame

Published: November 12 2010 19:59 | Last updated: November 12 2010 19:59

Sir David Hannay, an eminent British diplomat, once observed that no one had ever lost money betting against a successful outcome of negotiations to solve the Cyprus problem. As a former UK special representative for Cyprus, he knew whereof he spoke. The latest United Nations-sponsored talks, which started in 2008, have not even come close to ending the division of Cyprus, now in its 37th year. But the process is approaching a T-junction at which it will no longer be possible to avoid choosing between a settlement and the island’s permanent partition.

Demetris Christofias, president of the internationally recognised, Greek Cypriot-controlled government of Cyprus, and Dervis Eroglu, the leader of the breakaway Turkish Cypriot state, are due to confer in New York on Thursday with Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general. If, as seems entirely likely, the discussions lead nowhere, the UN may withdraw from its good offices mission, raising the prospect of formal partition. A two-state solution is not an ideal outcome. It would impose grave costs on the Greek Cypriots in terms of maintaining high levels of military expenditure to counter the perceived Turkish threat. In the short term, it would deal yet another blow to Turkey’s prospects of joining the European Union.
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But to varying degrees each Cypriot community has only itself to blame. For too long, Greek Cypriots have mouthed platitudes in support of reunifying Cyprus, while never taking the politically difficult decisions needed for a breakthrough. The Turkish Cypriots did at least vote in favour of a UN-brokered settlement in 2004. But Mr Eroglu has long favoured a two-state solution – as did Rauf Denktash, the Turkish Cypriot leader from 1983 to 2005. As Alexander Downer, the former Australian foreign minister and UN envoy for Cyprus, put it earlier this year: “It’s easy to sound in favour of a solution ... You can train a parrot in a pet shop to say that.”

If the Turkish Cypriots asked for recognition of their state, it would be difficult for the UK to oblige, because London is bound by a 1960 treaty of guarantee not to promote partition. Other EU countries would also hesitate. But many states are impatient with the constant Greek Cypriot disruption of EU business on account of the Cyprus dispute. They believe Turkey’s rising geopolitical and economic importance makes it imperative to show Ankara that the EU will not be hostage to the Greek Cypriots for ever. Even Russia, a long-time friend of the Greek Cypriots, is signalling a possible change of course on account of its newly blossoming ties with Turkey. The isolation of the Turkish Cypriots may therefore not last much longer – a point the Greek Cypriots should bear in mind before letting the UN talks fail.

[Get Real!]

GR thats one way to look at it, I object strongly to lives lost for some land. Whilst your right in saying that it may become a precursor to a solution and this time it will be division for sure, I'd hate to think more lives will be lost.

Oh for fuck's sake Andreas!

Those of us here are trained soldiers not Charlies!

[Get Real!]

You may have missed the above article ...........

Give me a proper link...

[humanist]

GR ..... yes you are trained soldiers ......... you are also made of a body and blood that can easily be torn to shreds by a bomb.

The issue for me is not that you and your mates will fight for Cyprus. That is courageous.

The issue for me is that the UN is acting inappropriately in rewarding those who attack other peoples Coutries and reniging on its own resolutions.

[Get Real!]

GR ..... yes you are trained soldiers ......... you are also made of a body and blood that can easily be torn to shreds by a bomb.

The issue for me is not that you and your mates will fight for Cyprus. That is courageous.

The issue for me is that the UN is acting inappropriately in rewarding those who attack other peoples Coutries and reniging on its own resolutions.

But they haven't rewarded Turkey with anything!

Talk = NOTHING

[Oracle]

Humanist, read up on the power of 'rhetoric'!

[Get Real!]

Humanist, read up on the power of 'rhetoric'!

It's amazing how many people fall for that...