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[vaughanwilliams]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

[shahmaran]

George, I've borrowed this piece from elsewhere to point something out pertaining to undemocratic political arrangements...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)

The idea is to learn from our past mistakes not repeat them with an even greater dose!

If you are not up for nothing but ethnic domination, then no genius plan will work and everything can be called "undemocratic", when in reality is that a "true democracy" will probably be the only undemocratic option considering how racist and discriminative a lot of your leaders and people are.

I don’t know about “ethnic domination” but an overwhelming majority that controls an odd 95% of the country’s wealth can’t be ignored so if I were a TC I’d remember the old saying… "if you can’t beat them join them" and/or "when in Rome do as the Romans do!"

We are not in Rome and you do not own much around here, well not anymore you don't

[Kikapu]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

He said (Herman Van Rompuy) he was "very confident" the EU would overcome the crisis, thanks to "courageous measures" taken by states "to reduce expenses at a time of populism, despite massive protests on the street and knowing they risk electoral defeat."

So where is the problem, VW.??

[georgios100]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

Numbers are numbers VW... numbers don't lie.

If you bother to read what I posted originally, I never mentioned EU benefits/problems... just taking care of business on the Cyprob only, nothing more. Not to mention the military savings for both keeping Turkish occupying troops stationed in CY & the Greek "threat" in the Aegean.

The savings/gains for Turkey would be in the billions... how much is Erdogan's "face" worth nowadays?

[vaughanwilliams]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

Numbers are numbers VW... numbers don't lie.

If you bother to read what I posted originally, I never mentioned EU benefits/problems... just taking care of business on the Cyprob only, nothing more. Not to mention the military savings for both keeping Turkish occupying troops stationed in CY & the Greek "threat" in the Aegean.

The savings/gains for Turkey would be in the billions... how much is Erdogan's "face" worth nowadays?

Well you have mentioned them so lets consider the "savings" that you seem to think can be made.
What would TR do with their troops in Cy if they went back to TR?
Make them redundant?
Stop feeding them?
Stop paying them?
Make them sleep in tents after they sell off/close their barracks?
There are very few savings to be made with troops, wherever they are stationed, unless they are involved in actual combat.

[georgios100]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

Numbers are numbers VW... numbers don't lie.

If you bother to read what I posted originally, I never mentioned EU benefits/problems... just taking care of business on the Cyprob only, nothing more. Not to mention the military savings for both keeping Turkish occupying troops stationed in CY & the Greek "threat" in the Aegean.

The savings/gains for Turkey would be in the billions... how much is Erdogan's "face" worth nowadays?

Well you have mentioned them so lets consider the "savings" that you seem to think can be made.
What would TR do with their troops in Cy if they went back to TR?
Make them redundant?
Stop feeding them?
Stop paying them?
Make them sleep in tents after they sell off/close their barracks?
There are very few savings to be made with troops, wherever they are stationed, unless they are involved in actual combat.

TR could use these troops in other troubled areas (kurds, Syrian border, Iraq border etc). Retire them... seriously, can you come up with a better answers... if not just keep quite.

[vaughanwilliams]

Some post-settlement financial predictions might be what is listed below...

Incentives under a BBF?

Yeah, these are under a BBF pending solution.

Economically, the BBF is idiot proof... everyone benefits.
Politically, it might be viable, with possible constitutional amendments applied over the years to come adjusting future unforeseen issues.

Erdogan's government legitimacy status is literally hanging up in the air... he knows his occupying troops in CY are a major hurdle for the future of Turkey.

Saving face is costing Erdogan & Turkey a great deal of money... rumors of fiscal instability in Turkey are rampant... resolving the Cyprob would save Turkey hundreds of millions... what is he waiting for?

I'd say he was well-off leaving things just as they are..
http://gadgetarius.com/view.aspx?surl=h ... ne+crisis+

Numbers are numbers VW... numbers don't lie.

If you bother to read what I posted originally, I never mentioned EU benefits/problems... just taking care of business on the Cyprob only, nothing more. Not to mention the military savings for both keeping Turkish occupying troops stationed in CY & the Greek "threat" in the Aegean.

The savings/gains for Turkey would be in the billions... how much is Erdogan's "face" worth nowadays?

Well you have mentioned them so lets consider the "savings" that you seem to think can be made.
What would TR do with their troops in Cy if they went back to TR?
Make them redundant?
Stop feeding them?
Stop paying them?
Make them sleep in tents after they sell off/close their barracks?
There are very few savings to be made with troops, wherever they are stationed, unless they are involved in actual combat.

TR could use these troops in other troubled areas (kurds, Syrian border, Iraq border etc). Retire them... seriously, can you come up with a better answers... if not just keep quite.

How would removing them from CY and sending them to "..troubled areas.." make a cost saving? In fact, if they are anything like the UK armed forces, their soldiers get paid more (and therefore cost more) than they do outside "troubled areas". Remember, you are the one who suggested removing TR troops from Cy as a "military saving.

[Nikitas]

In a post solution Cyprus there will be not one but THREE civil services, with the attendant expense and taxes to maintain them. Knowing the panCypriot attraction to civil service jobs and the means used to get these jobs it is obvious that a new class of super civil servant will rise. When you have too many civil servants they tend to invent ways to justify their position and increase their salaries at the expense of the private sector.

Business will have to satsify three levels of buraucracy- local, federal and EU. The area which manages to simplify its administration might improve its economy, emphasis on might. It is probable, in fact almost certain, that through the central government, in which participation will be equal, there will be efforts to keep tabs on the "other" side and cause all kinds of delays and inefficiencies.

Things are not going to be rosy. Do not be surprised to see the TCs changing their partition tack and start meddling in everything claiming that Cyprus is a unified economy. First test will be the reconstruction of Famagusta which already has been targeted by Eroglu in his Property Development Corporation scheme.