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[Oracle]

Babel translation (plus) ...


THE ACTUAL TRUTH

From 2006, in the chronicles of the company, have developed events which were created in such a way so that it is not easy for logical reasoning by any honest person.

The honesty of Cypriot businessman of growth of ground that has internationally gained in one 20 years the absolute confidence and recognition of their thousands of customers in Cyprus and endangerment, it is maligned by an unjust absurd and unfair category of British purchaser who infringed terms of letter and spirit and ethics of contract of market of real estate fortune. With arbitrary interpretations and with provocative disconcern from 2006 it has proceeded in [anosioyrgima] that violate each moral rule of deontology with web page and libels in the Internet against the company [Karagiannas] and blatantly unilaterally has created pictures in the public that tend to tarnish the prestige of the company [Karagiannas]. With this climax of all of direction and with representations false and energies with one skillful theatrical, extracted even the every-day type of Cyprus the attention and the interest at the month of October 2010. The sang-froid ours, and the ready apposition of [diatrexanton] fact comprehension by all that [antelifthisan] the expediency of blackmail without limits and our public trial [arthografia] [apesobisan] the villains and between other their objective with expiatory victim the company [Karagianna] [spilosoyn] the prestige of all Cypriot businessmen in the sector of growth of ground and [kat]'? extension they soiled the most excellent name of Cyprus and our national dignity for inexplicable but suspect reasons. Fortunately until now we have been vindicated by the courts of Cypriot Democracy and we continue our fight in a season where is challenged the world economy. Vindicated the company Chr. Karayiannas Constructors and Land Developers we call all to ignore such infamy and messages in order to isolate similar forgers of honest agreements.

I with sincere hopes.

[supporttheunderdog]

Thank you Oracle for the translation of the website. The statement is however totaly devoid of any reference to the facts of the case and does not in any way contain one shred of evidence to support the bland denial of wrong doing in the deal, and to deal with the case that Conor set out and supported. At best it is special pleading, at worsty, mendacious.

one point that interests me is the following.

In June 2006 a Mr Pittadjis was representingy Karayannis, By May 2007 this lawyer was acting for a lady who had by that time had apparently bought the house in good faith, in ignorance of the dispute.

In JUne 2007 Mr Karryanis swore a signed affitdavit stating the house could not be sold as the contract with Conor was in the land registry and had locked up the house against possible re-sale

Q1) How come Mr Karryanis had apparentoly sold the house before May 2007 and then said in June 2007 the house could not be sold?

Q2) Why was this sale not mentioned in the affitdavit?

Q3) Was Mr P involved in the drafting of this affitdavit?

Q4 ) Did Mr P represent this new buyer in any way in the Purchase, and if so, knowing as he did of the dispute, why did he not tell her?

Q5)Was Mr P not otherwise probably conflicted if as apperently stated in writing he represented two different parties in a possible three-way dispute, when as Mr Karyannis admited in June 2007, he could not legally sell the house but had done so by May 2007, and thus presumably faces claims from the second aggreived purchaser ?

IMHO with having apperently sold the house before May 2007 and then sweaing an affitdavit in June 2007 that the house could not be sold there is a big contradiction in the Karyannis story, and this is based on the evidence of his own affitdavit (as promoted by the alleged RiobertKlein) and the corresponddnce from the lawyer whio was A) acting for karayiannis b) in June 2006 and the New buyer in May 2007, not on any undocumented allegtion by Conor.

It does however seem to me to leave karayannis with a big credibilioty gap

I would therefore like to see Karayannis and Pittadjis explain this particular point, preferably with any aviable documentary evidence.

However Robert, whoever you are, if you should seek to buy from karyannis you should chose your lawyer very carefully. and make sure they have never ever acted for Karayannis.

[B25]

To be honest my indifference on the whole issue could be measured in parsecs, that said, how credible is any individual or business that resorts to such violence ?

The only established FACTS are - the vendor assaulted the customer the rest is hearsay , bullshit , smoke and mirrors

If the directors of your local supermarket kicked the crap out of a difficult customer ( no matter how provoked) and WERE CONVICTED of this offense by a jury of there peers would you think ..... hey lets be fair he has a side to the story ?

Nope - you'd think what a bunch of unprofessional, foolish, violent, thug-like twats

In principle you are correct of course, but life is not as black and white as you are making out.

You tell me, if someone (customer or not) is insulting your wife to you face, are you seriously gonna just turn the other cheek and say 'oh well'. No, the first reaction would be to knock him out.

In essence, conor was doing this to Karayiannas daily, an attempt to destroy him and the insults and abuse he gave them was akin to the example above. I am not condoning the beating, but I do understand it.

Its not just a simple case of a difficult customer getting a beating for a complaint, is it now???

Probably not, but from personal experience, any business that behaves in such a manner( assaulting difficult or even fraudulent customers) OR even allows the situation where such BAD PR occurs is either run by incomptent fools,violent thieves or amateurs and will eventually end up in a scenario like this.

I disagree as there are instances where customers put themselves in a position to get a 'slap'

like I said iw wasn't a simple case of 'Manager my food is cold', mager comes out biff baff boof, is it.

it was more a case of 'manager my food is cold you F***** A*****, you piece of c*** throws the plate kicks over the chair......... you get my point right.

So as a manger faced with this abuse, threatening behaviour, are you not inclined to 'slap' him???? Does that then make you a 'incomptent fools,violent thieves or amateurs '? Hardly. Again this is the scenario we have with Mr C and Mssrs C and M.

This is my point, I don't condone it, BUT I do understand it.

There are other examples.

[supporttheunderdog]

To be honest my indifference on the whole issue could be measured in parsecs, that said, how credible is any individual or business that resorts to such violence ?

The only established FACTS are - the vendor assaulted the customer the rest is hearsay , bullshit , smoke and mirrors

If the directors of your local supermarket kicked the crap out of a difficult customer ( no matter how provoked) and WERE CONVICTED of this offense by a jury of there peers would you think ..... hey lets be fair he has a side to the story ?

Nope - you'd think what a bunch of unprofessional, foolish, violent, thug-like twats

In principle you are correct of course, but life is not as black and white as you are making out.

You tell me, if someone (customer or not) is insulting your wife to you face, are you seriously gonna just turn the other cheek and say 'oh well'. No, the first reaction would be to knock him out.

In essence, conor was doing this to Karayiannas daily, an attempt to destroy him and the insults and abuse he gave them was akin to the example above. I am not condoning the beating, but I do understand it.

Its not just a simple case of a difficult customer getting a beating for a complaint, is it now???

Probably not, but from personal experience, any business that behaves in such a manner( assaulting difficult or even fraudulent customers) OR even allows the situation where such BAD PR occurs is either run by incomptent fools,violent thieves or amateurs and will eventually end up in a scenario like this.

I disagree as there are instances where customers put themselves in a position to get a 'slap'

like I said iw wasn't a simple case of 'Manager my food is cold', mager comes out biff baff boof, is it.

it was more a case of 'manager my food is cold you F***** A*****, you piece of c*** throws the plate kicks over the chair......... you get my point right.

So as a manger faced with this abuse, threatening behaviour, are you not inclined to 'slap' him???? Does that then make you a 'incomptent fools,violent thieves or amateurs '? Hardly. Again this is the scenario we have with Mr C and Mssrs C and M.

This is my point, I don't condone it, BUT I do understand it.

There are other examples.

If it was an immediate knee jerk reaction, e.g. they were face to face, Conor used abuse and at that point Mr K just took a swing, I too could better understand (but not condone) the assult. Things do happen in the heat of the moment but this did not appear to be a heat of the moment response, but a planned attack with a hired help. IMHO That is not so understandable.

[Gasman]

I thought I read they stopped his car and dragged him out of it? Not that he was confronting them? Ahh well.

Doesn't anyone here read Greek well enough to just translate it without putting it through the Babel or Google wringer?

[bsharpish]

The google translation is slightly different and, I'm sure, that both have some elements that are "lost in translation".

Someone needs to get this guy a good PR person as , bearing in mind the translation, he or whoever wrote this made some really amateur mistakes -


THE ACTUAL TRUTH

From 2006, in the chronicles of the company, have developed events which were created in such a way so that it is not easy for logical reasoning by any honest person. - so if you don't agree or are suspicious due to my assault conviction you are an illogical thief
The honesty of Cypriot businessman of growth of ground that has internationally gained in one 20 years the absolute confidence and recognition of their thousands of customers in Cyprus and endangerment, it is maligned by an [u]unjust absurd and unfair category of British purchaser [/u]- so its an "honest CYPRIOT against and dishonest BRITISH" thing- keep nationality out of this who infringed terms of letter and spirit and ethics of contract of market of real estate fortune. With arbitrary interpretations and with provocative disconcern from 2006 it has proceeded in [anosioyrgima] that violate each moral rule of deontology with web page and libels in the Internet against the company [Karagiannas] and blatantly unilaterally has created pictures in the public that tend to tarnish the prestige of the company [Karagiannas]. With this climax of all of direction and with representations false and energies with one skillful theatrical, extracted even the every-day type of Cyprus the attention and the interest at the month of October 2010. The sang-froid ours, and the ready apposition of [diatrexanton] fact comprehension by all that [antelifthisan] the expediency of blackmail without limits and our public trial [arthografia] [apesobisan] the villains and between other their objective with expiatory victim the company [Karagianna] [spilosoyn] the prestige of all Cypriot businessmen in the sector of growth of ground and [kat]'? extension they soiled the most excellent name of Cyprus and our national dignity for inexplicable but suspect reasons.- " It wasnt us guvnor" - now here- lets wave a flag and blame the nasty foreigners Fortunately until now we have been vindicated by the courts of Cypriot Democracy ??? you mean convicted of assault and we continue our fight ( hope not- perhaps struggle would be better)in a season where is challenged the world economy. Vindicated the company Chr. Karayiannas Constructors and Land Developers we call all to ignore such infamy and messages ( please ignore the facts so far - we are as honest as the day is long--- really) in order to isolate similar forgers of honest agreements.

I with sincere hopes.

Now ,perhaps, it should be along the following theme

As a long established developer with many satisfied customers... blah blah blah

We have become embroiled in a complicated and emotional dispute ...blah blah blah

This nasty and at times personal dispute resulted in an incident which we now deeply regret and we wish to apologise for our rash and hot headed actions.... blah blah blah provocation,incitement blah blah blah.

We, however repudiate many of the allegations still under legal consideration and humbly request that our potential clients refer to our many satisfied customers or feel free to contact us directly ( they should spend a few quid on a skilled PR agent)

We hope that this unfortunate situation and a moments rash action will in time be resolved .
Until then we will strive at all times to prove our honesty and courtesy to our new and existing clients... blah blah blah

and would like to once again state our regret... blah blah unpleasant situation,

[Milo]

I thought I read they stopped his car and dragged him out of it? Not that he was confronting them? Ahh well.

Doesn't anyone here read Greek well enough to just translate it without putting it through the Babel or Google wringer?

That is what happened, they stopped Conors hired car by purposefully ramming it to stop him, in front of witness's. Then dragging him out, and collectively beating him up. No confrontation with the scum took place beforehand at all. He went to HIS house to take photos of the outside for his upcoming court fight to get his 75k back which by this time the scum had awarded themselves in 'damages'

All this because Conor rightfully argued that the property he was in the process of buying was very different on the site plans to what he had purchased. Well you would would,nt you? It was a very big deal, its like paying in part for a Merc and the seller then turning up with a Mondeo, and refusing to give you what you paid for.

The 'new owner' not tenant, she has definitely bought it (court case shows this) phoned the scum to tell them he was there taking photos of HIS HOUSE as one presumes she was instructed to do by them. He left drove off towards the village and they were on him like a pack of rabid wolves. The idea behind their second assault was similar to the first to stop him telling the world what they have done. A relevant point is she was charged quite a bit more to purchase

There is more of course to come. The assault case which is only the first to be concluded, now has the appeal lodged against it quite a strong appeal too to up the charge from ABH to GBH and then conclude a stronger sentence, this was done by the AG,s office in Cyprus.

An interesting point re the 'new owner' of Conors house, she has of course been ignored by the lawyer who 'arranged' her contract to 'buy' Conors house, in fact he denied in court that he had ever met her She is now in an extremely precarious position as well, so really another victim. This consists of fraud.

Both Lawyers involved in this have at the least behaved unethically at worst been part of it. Something we all know now they are furiously backpedalling away from.

Her nieghbours in the same Development have asked her to walk away now, and even rounded on her as they see 'the extras' the Developer has been bestowing on her property on regular occasions. I feel that she is a victim too. All because a Developer did,nt honour his contract that was signed by both.

[Paphitis]

To be honest my indifference on the whole issue could be measured in parsecs, that said, how credible is any individual or business that resorts to such violence ?

The only established FACTS are - the vendor assaulted the customer the rest is hearsay , bullshit , smoke and mirrors

If the directors of your local supermarket kicked the crap out of a difficult customer ( no matter how provoked) and WERE CONVICTED of this offense by a jury of there peers would you think ..... hey lets be fair he has a side to the story ?

Nope - you'd think what a bunch of unprofessional, foolish, violent, thug-like twats

In principle you are correct of course, but life is not as black and white as you are making out.

You tell me, if someone (customer or not) is insulting your wife to you face, are you seriously gonna just turn the other cheek and say 'oh well'. No, the first reaction would be to knock him out.

In essence, conor was doing this to Karayiannas daily, an attempt to destroy him and the insults and abuse he gave them was akin to the example above. I am not condoning the beating, but I do understand it.

Its not just a simple case of a difficult customer getting a beating for a complaint, is it now???

Well I must say this!

Conor really asked for it and got exactly what he deserved! I would've done the same thing under the circumstances. The conviction is no Big Deal!

[supporttheunderdog]

what, you would hire a thug, and deliberatly set out to attack him,?

If so, imcco, what a very nasty peice of work you are.

[Paphitis]

what, you would hire a thug, and deliberatly set out to attack him,?

If so, imcco, what a very nasty peice of work you are.

I would do anything to protect my wife and kids!

Conor was clearly unstable and posed a risk to the Karrayannis Family! Firthermore, there is no evidence whatsoever that Karrayannis hired a thug!