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[annaka]

This was sent to me today, so thought I'd pass it on:-

WHY I AM DEPRESSED...
Over five thousand
>years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovels, mount your
>asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."
Nearly 75 years
>ago (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on
>your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."
Now Obama has
>stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged
>the Promised Land! I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care
>Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds,
>etc. . . I called Lifeline. Got a call center in Pakistan . I told
>them I was suicidal. They got all excited and asked if I could
>drive a truck!

[Schnauzer]

This was sent to me today, so thought I'd pass it on:-

WHY I AM DEPRESSED...
Over five thousand
>years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovels, mount your
>asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."
Nearly 75 years
>ago (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on
>your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."
Now Obama has
>stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged
>the Promised Land! I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care
>Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds,
>etc. . . I called Lifeline. Got a call center in Pakistan . I told
>them I was suicidal. They got all excited and asked if I could
>drive a truck!

A breath of fresh air.

[EricSeans]

President Obama recently addressed the Indian Parliament and, without wishing to ridicule his obvious desire to present his nation as something of an example for other nations to follow, I could not help but wonder just how the man had the 'Gall' to touch on two particular subjects.

The first of these (by no means original statements) was when he alluded to the proposal that,"No nation should ever try to impose it's 'Values' upon another nation", this of course is a play on words which earlier was put as "No nation should ever impose it's 'Will' upon other nations" and was uttered as something of a 'Get out clause' to excuse the excessive force being used throughout the Middle East, to quell that which was seen as 'Terrorism' but may well be interpreted as resistance to aggression by those accused of such.

As to Obama's reference to 'Values', one could easily interpret that to mean that he might secretly consider the culture of India to be superior to that back home.

A moot point which has been severally contested in the past.

The second subject he chose to address (and the one which I find quite astonishing)

Touched on the subject of 'Civilian casualties' when he actually stated that "Nothing ever justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children!".

I daresay that he was once again attempting to shift the onus of blame on 'Terrorism' (or resistance to aggression as 'I' prefer to view it IMHO) BUT. for THIS man, whose nation has been and is currently responsible for the slaughter of more innocents than Genghis and Kubla Khan put together, to have the audacity to even mention the 'Innocents of slaughter' is (in my humble opinion, as always) beyond belief.

The entire speech is available to anyone interested enough to read the weasel words of a President under considerable pressure to repair the damage of his predecessor, but, notwithstanding that fact, I think his speech writer should have recognized the possibility that somebody might notice the awful insincerity in such statements.

A lot of the rhetoric aired with Islamabad in mind, surely?

[Gasman]

Are you by any chance implying that the US is NOT committing War Crimes and/or that Cyprus is or has done?

No GR if I meant or wanted to imply that I would have said so. Don't put words in my mouth. You've got a lady in waiting to do that for you!

I am more concerned with Cyprus on the Cyprus Forum than with anything else. Even though some think, regardless that I live in Cyprus and have done so for some years now, I should be allowed NO opinions on anything to do with Cyprus!

Schnauzer - maybe your 'anticipated response' to what you call someone else's 'anticipated response' is why you don't have much of a response?

I read it as one of those posts that was not asking for varied OPINIONS, nor wanting them, but was made 'anticipating' the response you might get and you were sat, rubbing your hands with glee, waiting to pounce on them! With your next post (or counter argument) ready to fire off without paying too much attention to what was said in response!

So there you have it - my response lol!

[Lit]

"Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children".
You are damn right mate so why on earth are you supporting the suicide bombers justifying such barbaric acts with the usual " what else can they do " you make me sick plonker with your blatant stupidity.

Thank you for your 'Anticipated Response' miltiades, NOW, one small step forward.

How then (having accepted that Obama's words are correct) do you justify the savagery that was witnessed when the mighty forces of the U.S. rained down death and destruction upon the innocents of Iraq when they unlawfully attacked that nation?.

Thank you for your 'Anticipated Response' Shnoz, NOW, one small step forward. Obama didn't attack or invade Iraq...lol, he inherited that war from his predecessor. He was always against it from the very beginning and always stated so while campaigning for the Presidency in 2008 saying that if elected he would implement a withdrawal timetable in Iraq. Get your facts right.

Times are changing and i love the changes:

U.S. threatens Turkey with stronger support for Genocide Resolution
http://news.am/eng/news/37654.html

God bless the United States of America

"Lit", In your eagerness to 'Score Points' and establish your credentials as a supporter of 'American foreign policies', I fear you have overlooked the fact that I DID indicate that President Obama was under pressure to repair the damage caused by his 'PREDECESSOR' (naturally assuming that one would not need to be reminded of the unlawful attack on the innocent civilians of that nation), it is precisely because of THAT point, that I was astonished to note that Obama (or more likely his speech writer) chose to include the statement that " Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children".

I do believe that there is no question about the accuracy of my 'Facts', since they are but a few days old. (Obama's very recent address to the Indian Parliament).

As to the U.S. threats to Turkey, the Yanks are forever threatening some other nation, it's called 'Intimidation' I believe.

Incidentally, do not allow the negativity of miltiades to infiltrate YOUR posts, my avatar is 'Schnauzer' not 'Schnoz (I believe a gentleman in showbusiness, Jimmy Durante, was keeper of such title).

Ridiculous.

I haven't overlooked anything and you are wrong on ALL counts. The name Shnoz was given to you long before you butted heads with Milti. lol

Because i want you to keep crying:

If I may be so bold, I DID state in my original post that the comments I referred to were taken from President Obama's 'Address to India's Parliament', the possibility exists (actually it is a fact but I would not wish to press the matter) that the video YOU present is of an entirely different meeting and the aforesaid comments are therefore , not included.

If you are prepared to allow yourself to be influenced by the euphoria that invariably attends 'Stage Managed' presentations, you have my sympathy, 'I' prefer to use my own senses to determine the difference between right and wrong, together with actual living experiences before making decisions on where to place the responsibility for evil actions.

I am ever cautious about forming opinions before I have ALL the evidence before me, naturally there are times when I may be wrong, acceptance of that fact is THE firmest basis for a civilized debate, quite rare on this particular forum unfortunately.

I suggest that you should reconsider that which you state you have NOT overlooked since you obviously HAVE.

If you find humour in addressing me as 'Schnoz', be my guest, "Little things please little minds" would appear to be an appropriate counter to your veiled insult.

If i may be so bold, this thread is pure unadulterated blather. You have to be impressed by the Shnoz and his ability to blather for hours like a raving lunatic the same drivel daily. Obama this, Obama that...i like to ramble on like a whiny twat. lol Oh, that's not the video that got you so dearly upset? Excuse me. Would it be this one below:



Let the faucet of tears begin!

[Schnauzer]

President Obama recently addressed the Indian Parliament and, without wishing to ridicule his obvious desire to present his nation as something of an example for other nations to follow, I could not help but wonder just how the man had the 'Gall' to touch on two particular subjects.

The first of these (by no means original statements) was when he alluded to the proposal that,"No nation should ever try to impose it's 'Values' upon another nation", this of course is a play on words which earlier was put as "No nation should ever impose it's 'Will' upon other nations" and was uttered as something of a 'Get out clause' to excuse the excessive force being used throughout the Middle East, to quell that which was seen as 'Terrorism' but may well be interpreted as resistance to aggression by those accused of such.

As to Obama's reference to 'Values', one could easily interpret that to mean that he might secretly consider the culture of India to be superior to that back home.

A moot point which has been severally contested in the past.

The second subject he chose to address (and the one which I find quite astonishing)

Touched on the subject of 'Civilian casualties' when he actually stated that "Nothing ever justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children!".

I daresay that he was once again attempting to shift the onus of blame on 'Terrorism' (or resistance to aggression as 'I' prefer to view it IMHO) BUT. for THIS man, whose nation has been and is currently responsible for the slaughter of more innocents than Genghis and Kubla Khan put together, to have the audacity to even mention the 'Innocents of slaughter' is (in my humble opinion, as always) beyond belief.

The entire speech is available to anyone interested enough to read the weasel words of a President under considerable pressure to repair the damage of his predecessor, but, notwithstanding that fact, I think his speech writer should have recognized the possibility that somebody might notice the awful insincerity in such statements.

A lot of the rhetoric aired with Islamabad in mind, surely?

President Obama's primary reasons for his visit to India embrace many objectives.

Naturally, as President it is his duty to discuss matters of trade and unity between the two nations, it is also in the interests of both nations that he should emphasize whatever similarities he can find in political, military, commercial and other fields in order to cement a friendship with the host nation.

The address that Obama made to the Indian Parliament, prior to his engagement with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, dwelt more on subjects which could be interpreted (in my opinion) as a softening up exercise for the serious discussions that were sure to follow, whether they be at the time of the engagement and in full view of the world OR, more likely, behind closed doors (which is the usual format).

What I found surprising was, that among the many complimentary statements Obama made in praise of India and it's culture, he suddenly announced that "Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children" without the slightest hint of irony.

For a nation whose very foundation is based upon the decimation of the indigenous population that once inhabited the territories it now occupies, that has slaughtered so many innocent civilians in the recent and distant past (and continues to do so), I merely thought it rather hypocritical and am surprised that others do not share my view.

No disrespect to the American public, they are as powerless to change the will of their political and military masters (after electing the former) as are ANY subjects of what we describe as 'Democratic' nations.

If one is to believe every word we are told through media channels, there is little need for debate and inquisitiveness, it will have all been taken care of for us.

That's all

[Gasman]

Quite well summed up Lit. As I said above - sat ready and waiting to pounce and fire off the next diatribe - having it ready!

[Get Real!]

President Obama's primary reasons for his visit to India embrace many objectives.

And here I was thinking that it was only to sell billions of dollars worth of military equipment to India to spite Pakistan!

Has anyone else noticed that Obama’s foreign policy role has become one of global premier arms trader?

[Schnauzer]

"Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children".
You are damn right mate so why on earth are you supporting the suicide bombers justifying such barbaric acts with the usual " what else can they do " you make me sick plonker with your blatant stupidity.

Thank you for your 'Anticipated Response' miltiades, NOW, one small step forward.

How then (having accepted that Obama's words are correct) do you justify the savagery that was witnessed when the mighty forces of the U.S. rained down death and destruction upon the innocents of Iraq when they unlawfully attacked that nation?.

Thank you for your 'Anticipated Response' Shnoz, NOW, one small step forward. Obama didn't attack or invade Iraq...lol, he inherited that war from his predecessor. He was always against it from the very beginning and always stated so while campaigning for the Presidency in 2008 saying that if elected he would implement a withdrawal timetable in Iraq. Get your facts right.

Times are changing and i love the changes:

U.S. threatens Turkey with stronger support for Genocide Resolution
http://news.am/eng/news/37654.html

God bless the United States of America

"Lit", In your eagerness to 'Score Points' and establish your credentials as a supporter of 'American foreign policies', I fear you have overlooked the fact that I DID indicate that President Obama was under pressure to repair the damage caused by his 'PREDECESSOR' (naturally assuming that one would not need to be reminded of the unlawful attack on the innocent civilians of that nation), it is precisely because of THAT point, that I was astonished to note that Obama (or more likely his speech writer) chose to include the statement that " Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children".

I do believe that there is no question about the accuracy of my 'Facts', since they are but a few days old. (Obama's very recent address to the Indian Parliament).

As to the U.S. threats to Turkey, the Yanks are forever threatening some other nation, it's called 'Intimidation' I believe.

Incidentally, do not allow the negativity of miltiades to infiltrate YOUR posts, my avatar is 'Schnauzer' not 'Schnoz (I believe a gentleman in showbusiness, Jimmy Durante, was keeper of such title).

Ridiculous.

I haven't overlooked anything and you are wrong on ALL counts. The name Shnoz was given to you long before you butted heads with Milti. lol

Because i want you to keep crying:

If I may be so bold, I DID state in my original post that the comments I referred to were taken from President Obama's 'Address to India's Parliament', the possibility exists (actually it is a fact but I would not wish to press the matter) that the video YOU present is of an entirely different meeting and the aforesaid comments are therefore , not included.

If you are prepared to allow yourself to be influenced by the euphoria that invariably attends 'Stage Managed' presentations, you have my sympathy, 'I' prefer to use my own senses to determine the difference between right and wrong, together with actual living experiences before making decisions on where to place the responsibility for evil actions.

I am ever cautious about forming opinions before I have ALL the evidence before me, naturally there are times when I may be wrong, acceptance of that fact is THE firmest basis for a civilized debate, quite rare on this particular forum unfortunately.

I suggest that you should reconsider that which you state you have NOT overlooked since you obviously HAVE.

If you find humour in addressing me as 'Schnoz', be my guest, "Little things please little minds" would appear to be an appropriate counter to your veiled insult.

If i may be so bold, this thread is pure unadulterated blather. You have to be impressed by the Shnoz and his ability to blather for hours like a raving lunatic the same drivel daily. Obama this, Obama that...i like to ramble on like a whiny twat. lol Oh, that's not the video that got you so dearly upset? Excuse me. Would it be this one below:



Let the faucet of tears begin!

THAT could be the one................Oh dearie dearie me.

[EricSeans]

President Obama recently addressed the Indian Parliament and, without wishing to ridicule his obvious desire to present his nation as something of an example for other nations to follow, I could not help but wonder just how the man had the 'Gall' to touch on two particular subjects.

The first of these (by no means original statements) was when he alluded to the proposal that,"No nation should ever try to impose it's 'Values' upon another nation", this of course is a play on words which earlier was put as "No nation should ever impose it's 'Will' upon other nations" and was uttered as something of a 'Get out clause' to excuse the excessive force being used throughout the Middle East, to quell that which was seen as 'Terrorism' but may well be interpreted as resistance to aggression by those accused of such.

As to Obama's reference to 'Values', one could easily interpret that to mean that he might secretly consider the culture of India to be superior to that back home.

A moot point which has been severally contested in the past.

The second subject he chose to address (and the one which I find quite astonishing)

Touched on the subject of 'Civilian casualties' when he actually stated that "Nothing ever justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children!".

I daresay that he was once again attempting to shift the onus of blame on 'Terrorism' (or resistance to aggression as 'I' prefer to view it IMHO) BUT. for THIS man, whose nation has been and is currently responsible for the slaughter of more innocents than Genghis and Kubla Khan put together, to have the audacity to even mention the 'Innocents of slaughter' is (in my humble opinion, as always) beyond belief.

The entire speech is available to anyone interested enough to read the weasel words of a President under considerable pressure to repair the damage of his predecessor, but, notwithstanding that fact, I think his speech writer should have recognized the possibility that somebody might notice the awful insincerity in such statements.

A lot of the rhetoric aired with Islamabad in mind, surely?

President Obama's primary reasons for his visit to India embrace many objectives.

Naturally, as President it is his duty to discuss matters of trade and unity between the two nations, it is also in the interests of both nations that he should emphasize whatever similarities he can find in political, military, commercial and other fields in order to cement a friendship with the host nation.

The address that Obama made to the Indian Parliament, prior to his engagement with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, dwelt more on subjects which could be interpreted (in my opinion) as a softening up exercise for the serious discussions that were sure to follow, whether they be at the time of the engagement and in full view of the world OR, more likely, behind closed doors (which is the usual format).

What I found surprising was, that among the many complimentary statements Obama made in praise of India and it's culture, he suddenly announced that "Nothing EVER justifies the slaughter of innocent men, women and children" without the slightest hint of irony.

For a nation whose very foundation is based upon the decimation of the indigenous population that once inhabited the territories it now occupies, that has slaughtered so many innocent civilians in the recent and distant past (and continues to do so), I merely thought it rather hypocritical and am surprised that others do not share my view.

No disrespect to the American public, they are as powerless to change the will of their political and military masters (after electing the former) as are ANY subjects of what we describe as 'Democratic' nations.

If one is to believe every word we are told through media channels, there is little need for debate and inquisitiveness, it will have all been taken care of for us.

That's all

Fer sure, but the bit about the slaughter of innocents was a probable reference to the terrorist attack on Mumbai for domestic consumption.