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[All4114All]

Im not sure why this post is continuing.
I am also not sure why we have to throw out figures/numbers of civilian lives which have died in terrible events. Is the life of an individual not worthy enough in such circumstances to have lost his life that instead of putting up figures and numbers that we should allow them to rest in peace GR?

Why dont your GR instead of starting a stupid post have a minute silence and think about the life loss on both sides and then have another minute silence on the communities which have drifted apart for so many years which continues to divide us.

Dont get me wrong I aint frustrated but to me even 1 life loss is as tragic as 5000 get your own morals straighten out.

Have you any idea how many Cypriot families have been affected by these 5,000 victims?

Are you denying all these families the right to find closure?

Do they not have the right to know how their loved ones died?

My reply was simply to mourn the life loss instead of putting figures and numbers and accusing one another because as you know many of our posts on this forum just go in merry go round. G/C have their views and T/C have their views and we debate. I just dont find it very appropriate to have the same circumstances revolving around figures of death while they lay in their graves or mass graves.

As to answer your above questions I deny no one of anything. Of course many families have been affected. So we agree.

Every family should of course have closure and if no family of the decease is alive today even friends of that family should also have closure to take it even further the public should have closure. Without closure our wounds are left open. So we agree. Unfortunately and I wish I could go with you if we both had maps to find them. I guess that is why it is left up to the Missing Person Commitee to find and bring closure. This also answers your third question.

[boulio]

vp said:

What you suggest is the same as what I have in mind. 2 states north south under a federal structure

not under a federal structure but under a a federal state,i think this says it perfectly:

a federal state, is a type of sovereign state characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions united by a central (federal) government, In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states is typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of the central government.

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[CopperLine]

Im not sure why this post is continuing.
I am also not sure why we have to throw out figures/numbers of civilian lives which have died in terrible events. Is the life of an individual not worthy enough in such circumstances to have lost his life that instead of putting up figures and numbers that we should allow them to rest in peace GR?

Why dont your GR instead of starting a stupid post have a minute silence and think about the life loss on both sides and then have another minute silence on the communities which have drifted apart for so many years which continues to divide us.

Dont get me wrong I aint frustrated but to me even 1 life loss is as tragic as 5000 get your own morals straighten out.

Have you any idea how many Cypriot families have been affected by these 5,000 victims?

Are you denying all these families the right to find closure?

Do they not have the right to know how their loved ones died?

My reply was simply to mourn the life loss instead of putting figures and numbers and accusing one another because as you know many of our posts on this forum just go in merry go round. G/C have their views and T/C have their views and we debate. I just dont find it very appropriate to have the same circumstances revolving around figures of death while they lay in their graves or mass graves.

As to answer your above questions I deny no one of anything. Of course many families have been affected. So we agree.

Every family should of course have closure and if no family of the decease is alive today even friends of that family should also have closure to take it even further the public should have closure. Without closure our wounds are left open. So we agree. Unfortunately and I wish I could go with you if we both had maps to find them. I guess that is why it is left up to the Missing Person Commitee to find and bring closure. This also answers your third question.

All4114All,
Agreed.

[Paphitis]

Propaganda.

Would that be the same propoganda that you spread that apparently 103 TC villages were destroyed and that many TCs were killed and put into mass graves. All propganda spread by MF's like you, oh, not forgetting the specially staged bathtub massacre. Nice one such propoganda needs an accolade.

Arsehole, they were TCs talking, hey gardash Bir, now show us your fucking compassion you crave for and claim all is one sided and we don't appreciate your sufferings. FU, the lot of you.

They should put this transalation on little cards and issue it to all CNG and reservists. Make them read it morning afternoon and night. Play it and read it out in schools, lest we forget, what you dogs did to innocent people. Then you have the audacity to claim victim status, hade assirktir.

All hearsay any real hard evidence?

Testimony from ex Turkish Service personnel who fought in Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

So, over a thousand Greek Cypriots killed per week, by orders from Turkish Cypriots demanding elimination of the natives; and not one TC, now installed in land belonging to those killed or of the 200,000 GC refugees, has come forward to account for this barbaric behaviour!

turkish cypriots ordered nothing. all we wanted was to be saved from murderers. you resisted whn turkey arrived and paid a heavy price. simples.

...of course this sounds quite logical.

...we were all quite terrified of the murderers. who are we talking about?

...unfortunately, greek cypriots ordered nothing as well; this Proxy War had little to do with Cypriots, despite cypriots who craved to plunder for the Interlocutors' gain.

lovernomore, please read my manifesto...

[repulsewarrior]

So, over a thousand Greek Cypriots killed per week, by orders from Turkish Cypriots demanding elimination of the natives; and not one TC, now installed in land belonging to those killed or of the 200,000 GC refugees, has come forward to account for this barbaric behaviour!

turkish cypriots ordered nothing. all we wanted was to be saved from murderers. you resisted whn turkey arrived and paid a heavy price. simples.

...of course this sounds quite logical.

...we were all quite terrified of the murderers. who are we talking about?

...unfortunately, greek cypriots ordered nothing as well; this Proxy War had little to do with Cypriots, despite cypriots who craved to plunder for the Interlocutors' gain.

lovernomore, please read my manifesto...

ms. O, despite a reasonable demand, bear in mind that Turkish Cypriots have in their society a similar potential to dismiss their adversaries, and to deny their own wrongdoing, although it appears to be more acute.

...they did not choose to change the toponomy in its entirety.

...they did not decide to dilute their vote with the extraordinary change in their demographics.

...they do not choose to remain isolated, they (like us) travel north and south without malice.

please, please reread my manifesto OP, i really would like you to finish your observations on it.

[Viewpoint]

Propaganda.

Would that be the same propoganda that you spread that apparently 103 TC villages were destroyed and that many TCs were killed and put into mass graves. All propganda spread by MF's like you, oh, not forgetting the specially staged bathtub massacre. Nice one such propoganda needs an accolade.

Arsehole, they were TCs talking, hey gardash Bir, now show us your fucking compassion you crave for and claim all is one sided and we don't appreciate your sufferings. FU, the lot of you.

They should put this transalation on little cards and issue it to all CNG and reservists. Make them read it morning afternoon and night. Play it and read it out in schools, lest we forget, what you dogs did to innocent people. Then you have the audacity to claim victim status, hade assirktir.

All hearsay any real hard evidence?

Testimony from ex Turkish Service personnel who fought in Cyprus.

Could also be paid to make these statements. Let me just add that I'm not trying to put anything down, these events if true are horrific and I condone them the culprits should be caught and punished but to convict anyone you need hard evidence otherwise its all hearsay.

[Get Real!]

Every family should of course have closure and if no family of the decease is alive today even friends of that family should also have closure to take it even further the public should have closure. Without closure our wounds are left open.

Right, and how is that closure suppose to come about if some of you are troubled by such discussions?

[JODU]

[quote="BirKibrisli"]Why are you guys taking GR seriously and trying to talk sense with him...
He is just a provocateur,and Oracle is his sidekick....

All you need to do is reverse his and her logic back onto them...

How did the Greek Cypriots manage to ethnically cleanse 100 TC villages in 1963???? And how did they manage to steal the powers of the RoC from the TCs??? This makes every GC a thief,following Oracle's logic...There ...
That is all the answer GR and his sidekick deserve.... [/quote]

Hi i am new to this forum .
I can answer for 3 individuals that were murdered by GC Eoka 2 of whome were disabled twin girls and 1 elderly man all related to me .The elderly man was killed to death by a piece of wood .When he was found a chunk of wood was found in his skull .the 2 disabled girls burned to death as they could not walk when Eoka burn out TC houses.

[JODU]

[quote="Viewpoint"][quote="Paphitis"][quote="Viewpoint"][quote="B25"][quote="Viewpoint"]Propaganda.[/quote]

Would that be the same propoganda that you spread that apparently 103 TC villages were destroyed and that many TCs were killed and put into mass graves. All propganda spread by MF's like you, oh, not forgetting the specially staged bathtub massacre. Nice one such propoganda needs an accolade.

Arsehole, they were TCs talking, hey gardash Bir, now show us your fucking compassion you crave for and claim all is one sided and we don't appreciate your sufferings. FU, the lot of you.

They should put this transalation on little cards and issue it to all CNG and reservists. Make them read it morning afternoon and night. Play it and read it out in schools, lest we forget, what you dogs did to innocent people. Then you have the audacity to claim victim status, hade assirktir.[/quote]

All hearsay any real hard evidence?[/quote]

Testimony from ex Turkish Service personnel who fought in Cyprus.[/quote]

Could also be paid to make these statements. Let me just add that I'm not trying to put anything down, these events if true are horrific and I condone them the culprits should be caught and punished but to convict anyone you need hard evidence otherwise its all hearsay.[/quote]

Why did these barbaric Gc s kill so many innocent Tc civilians .
Absolutely correct you need hard evidence and that is lost forever .
What is not lost is memory and one day there will be justice in Cyprus .
I know who these individuals are that killed innocent Tcs in my parents village but they are hiding in southern Cyprus but one day they will have to pay for their barbaric and guttless deeds .