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[lovernomore]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

[Kikapu]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

If that is a "FACT", then how come you still trust Turkey to this day that they have come to save the TCs.???

[lovernomore]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

If that is a "FACT", then how come you still trust Turkey to this day that they have come to save the TCs.???

Politics is a dirty game.

[Kikapu]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

If that is a "FACT", then how come you still trust Turkey to this day that they have come to save the TCs.???

Politics is a dirty game.

We are not talking about politics being dirty or not. The facts are already well known.

What I want to know from you is, how can you support Turkey when they were willing to sacrifice the TCs deliberately, according to your "FACT" logic. Does this then not make it a "FACT", that Turkey wanted to create tensions in Cyprus by sending TC ministers to their deaths by telling them to go back to the government just to make the justification to invade and divide Cyprus, by using the TCs as sacrificial lambs to be slaughtered to further their own cause.??

[lovernomore]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

If that is a "FACT", then how come you still trust Turkey to this day that they have come to save the TCs.???

Politics is a dirty game.

We are not talking about politics being dirty or not. The facts are already well known.

What I want to know from you is, how can you support Turkey when they were willing to sacrifice the TCs deliberately, according to your "FACT" logic. Does this then not make it a "FACT", that Turkey wanted to create tensions in Cyprus by sending TC ministers to their deaths by telling them to go back to the government just to make the justification to invade and divide Cyprus, by using the TCs as sacrificial lambs to be slaughtered to further their own cause.??

Read into this what you will Kikapu. Looking at all your posts you have already judged and condemned TC and Turkey so whats the point. Turkey has its own agenda and GC have have thier own, us TCs get screwed in the middle, but do you give a damn? In fact who gives a damn?

[Kikapu]

Since the TC members of The Cyprus government were forced out of their positions...

From the Library of Congress...

The 1960 constitution did not succeed in providing the framework for a lasting compromise between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Rather, its bicommunal features impeded administration and gave rise to continuing dissension, which culminated finally in armed violence between members of the two communities. Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)


Turkish Cypriots were not concentrated in one area, but lived throughout the island, making their position precarious. Vice-President Küçük and Turkish Cypriot ministers and members of the House of Representatives ceased participating in the government.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0023)

Do you really believe that the rest of the world are convinced with this garbage? If TC Ministers were to participate they would have all been executed, this is fact and its only you Greeks that deny it.

They were not killed so not a fact. The danger was there though, with all the killing going on.

Sorry for the confusion. For it to be a fact, they had to be executed. They were NOT EXECUTED, so it cannot be a fact. Does that sound better?

Try telling that to the 27 patients taken from Nicosia hospital never to be seen again...correction....Some of their remains were found years later in various wells...Perhaps GR can tell us how they got there while he is at it...

I was just trying to help our friend understand the difference between 'fact' and 'supposition.'

The probability that they would be excuted was there, but nothing factual happened. (apart from the FACT that they were alive well into at least 1964. Not sure of the date the Minister of Defence, Osman Örek passed away.

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government? Btw, I "think" I can distinguish between FACT and supposition, you needn't have wasted your time.

According to your "FACT" logic, then in must be a fact that Turkey was asking the TC ministers to commit suicide by asking them to return to the government, if they too believed as you do that they would have been murdered by the GCs.!

Askimwos, what you wrote about the mother countries is basically true. I have just read a letter sent by Inonu, Prime Minister of Turkey, to Kucuk, the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, in March 1964. Inonu was begging the Turkish Cypriots to return to the RoC! Kucuk, a moderate politician, replied that the Turkish Cypriots would rather emigrate to Turkey than return.

How do you explain this? How does anyone explain this?

I have just been reading Arif Hasan Tahsin's latest book about the recent history of Cyprus (actually a collection of a long series of newspaper articles). In it he stresses several times that, in his opinion, this letter from Inönü to Kutchuk, and Kutchuk's reply to this letter, constitute the two most important documents in Turkish Cypriot history since the republic was founded.

The complete texts of these documents are reproduced in this book. I think the following quote from Inönü's letter is very important [my translation]:


"Pursuant to a resolution passed by the Security Council, an international peace-keeping force will shortly be sent to Cyprus. We hope and desire that by this means it will be possible to establish security on the Island in the shortest possible space of time. After security has been established by this means, if the Turks persist in declining to assume their duties and positions within the Cyprus state, objections and complaints made by our side concerning the Greek Cypriots’ single-handed pursuit of state affairs to the detriment of the Turks’ rights and interests will not be countenanced by world public opinion. In addition to this, the single-handed domination of state affairs by the Greek Cypriots until such time as a final solution is found to the Cyprus problem will undoubtedly give rise to various restrictions as far as the rights and interests of the Turks are concerned.

Therefore, the taking of the necessary measures to establish security on the Island and, once these have been taken, the swiftest possible gradual return, beginning with the Vice-President and the Turkish Ministers, of all Turks to their positions within the state mechanism and their firm and tenacious opposition to the Greek Cypriots’ adverse activities from within the state mechanism will assist greatly towards the success of our national cause."


I can't help thinking that, in hindsight, he was right.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20

they were being sacrificed and our ministers were aware of this. This was discussed in detail with Mr Denktas when he visited the UK some years back.

If that is a "FACT", then how come you still trust Turkey to this day that they have come to save the TCs.???

Politics is a dirty game.

We are not talking about politics being dirty or not. The facts are already well known.

What I want to know from you is, how can you support Turkey when they were willing to sacrifice the TCs deliberately, according to your "FACT" logic. Does this then not make it a "FACT", that Turkey wanted to create tensions in Cyprus by sending TC ministers to their deaths by telling them to go back to the government just to make the justification to invade and divide Cyprus, by using the TCs as sacrificial lambs to be slaughtered to further their own cause.??

Read into this what you will Kikapu. Looking at all your posts you have already judged and condemned TC and Turkey so whats the point. Turkey has its own agenda and GC have have thier own, us TCs get screwed in the middle, but do you give a damn? In fact who gives a damn?

I see.

As soon as you find yourself "burning at the stake" with your own admission that Turkey wanted/was using the TCs as sacrificial lambs, you now want to make up a lot of suppositions about me as "FACTS", just to divert attention from your own logic on "FACTS".!

Well, it is now a FACT, that you will support Turkey no matter what she has done/may do with the TCs.!

CASE CLOSED !

[B25]

Kiks, you keep on closing all these cases, what on earth are we going to do next?

[Kikapu]

Kiks, you keep on closing all these cases, what on earth are we going to do next?

Oh, don't worry, because suckers come by the dozens and that it will not end anytime soon!

[Get Real!]

Would you deny the FACT that those ministers would have been executed if they were to participate in government?

You are so out of touch with the meaning of the word FACT that you might as well call it FACK!

Whoever heard of... "The fact that they would've been..." ????????

What kind of nonsense is that?

"would've been" implies an action or state in the FUTURE so how can you refer to it as “fact” prior to it happening???

What you’re referring to is a presumption!

[BirKibrisli]

closing cases on an internet forum is very easy...GR is doing it all the time... Not so in real life..

The question to be asked is :Who else could the TCs trust back in 1963 if not Turkey...The GCs???I know for sure that at least in one real life case the GCs had advised some TCs not to return to the "Greek" sector,as their lives could not be guaranteed...No,this was not in Parliament but at Barclays Bank where one of my uncles was working at the time...Their GC colleagues told them outright not to return to work till the situation calmed down...Well,it never did...It is easy to pontificate from the safety of our keyboards in our safe heavens,is it not???