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[supporttheunderdog]

this whole argument is based on a fallacy that a state of war exits: there is indeed a dispute with Turkey over its illegal occupation, but I dont see soldiers on either side shooting at each other - I don't see the Turkish Airfoce flying over and bombing the National Guard Facilites: there is no sign of the Turkish navy chasing the two or three support boats. It si more a "cold war" along the green line.

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

May I repeat I do not support partition, but, in a democratic society, one is allowed to hold divergent even quite offensive political views.

This however not the first time that IMHO Oracle seems to have lost the plot: one had for example the attempt to explain (if not excuse) the actions of some property developers by seeking to describe the sales as leasehold sales, not freehold sales, again IMHO a pathetic argument: let's face it, Pet! The latest indications are that that despite what the AG says, sales of property with a seller's mortgage attached is not allowed, and IMHO those that are engaging in such practices and the lawyers that are participtaing in such matters are therefore crooks.

Finally, in considering the proposition that Oracle has lost the plot, should one take into account all of the last nights posts with Video clips aimed at Militades?

[Oracle]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

[denizaksulu]

this whole argument is based on a fallacy that a state of war exits: there is indeed a dispute with Turkey over its illegal occupation, but I dont see soldiers on either side shooting at each other - I don't see the Turkish Airfoce flying over and bombing the National Guard Facilites: there is no sign of the Turkish navy chasing the two or three support boats. It si more a "cold war" along the green line.

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

May I repeat I do not support partition, but, in a democratic society, one is allowed to hold divergent even quite offensive political views.

This however not the first time that IMHO Oracle seems to have lost the plot: one had for example the attempt to explain (if not excuse) the actions of some property developers by seeking to describe the sales as leasehold sales, not freehold sales, again IMHO a pathetic argument: let's face it, Pet! The latest indications are that that despite what the AG says, sales of property with a seller's mortgage attached is not allowed, and IMHO those that are engaging in such practices and the lawyers that are participtaing in such matters are therefore crooks.

Finally, in considering the proposition that Oracle has lost the plot, should one take into account all of the last nights posts with Video clips aimed at Militades?

Ever heard of 'Love at first sight'? Oracle has finally seen Milti's loving side. ...........lucky bugger.

[supporttheunderdog]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

[Gasman]

Why do we think they are here?

Well they 'were here' ten years before 1974 - why do you think that was?

[Jerry]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

I think you will find that the Taksim extremists were very active in 1958 and before:-

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

for example 389, 1/4 of the way down

BTW have you read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

[Oracle]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

The UN came in 1964 at the request of Makarios because Turkey had its first (failed) attempt at invasion then. The danger from Turkey did not end there and in fact we have today's scenario. As you can see from the quote (which I think you ignored), the reason the UN is here, NOW, is to maintain a ceasefire until peaceful settlement is found. Those are in agreement with Cyprus being in a state of war with Turkey.

You'd better pray that the RoC, with the help of the EU/Greece/UN, manage to remove the Turks because you too could end up losing your property to some Anatolian Settler when Turkeys' next wave of Expansionism hits us ( ~ every 50 years).

[Get Real!]

this whole argument is based on a fallacy that a state of war exits: there is indeed a dispute with Turkey over its illegal occupation, but I dont see soldiers on either side shooting at each other - I don't see the Turkish Airfoce flying over and bombing the National Guard Facilites: there is no sign of the Turkish navy chasing the two or three support boats. It si more a "cold war" along the green line.

What compels you to talk about things you obviously know nothing about?

Cyprus is technically still at war with Turkey; the Green line is in fact a demarcation line, and in the last 36 odd years there have been a number of skirmishes and other incidents particularly in the early eighties (I myself was involved), which resulted in a small number of victims, some of which you can read about here…

Casualties while serving on the demarcation line (1976..1996)
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... morial.htm

Now quit wasting everyone's time and making a fool of yourself with your screwed up bits & pieces of misinformation!

And if you want to study the 1960..1974 events to see what happens when a doomed undemocratic constitution is imposed on a nation, read from the Library of Congress…

1960 Constitution
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/52.htm

1963 Constitutional Breakdown
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

Intercommunal Violence
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/13.htm

1964-74 Situation: Separate Communal Life
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/54.htm

Political Developments after the Crisis of 1967
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/14.htm

[CopperLine]

Oracle makes it up again.

Here she goes again, she says :

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN.

Then she says :

The UN came in 1964 at the request of Makarios

So was it (a) imposed or was it (b) requested ? It makes a world of difference. Clue : answer is (b)

[Oracle]

Oracle makes it up again.

Here she goes again, she says :

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN.

Then she says :

The UN came in 1964 at the request of Makarios

So was it (a) imposed or was it (b) requested ? It makes a world of difference. Clue : answer is (b)

I see I have to repeat myself because you are incapable of reading a whole sentence! Here it is again, with memory aids ...

They came in 1964 at the request of Makarios (keep reading) because of the first (failed) invasion attempt by Turkey. No one was fooled (keep reading) that there wasn't going to be another attempt so there was no reason to leave. (keep reading) As we saw, within a decade, the Turks were back in full(er) force and since they still occupy Cyprus (keep reading) and keep it in a state of war, the UN continues its presence to maintain a ceasefire pending a peaceful solution. (keep reading) There is no 'solution' because we are still at war! (stop reading)