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[denizaksulu]

Yes oracle is that what you want to do?

Or are you happy to be known as a fascist?

From what I read on this forum she enjoys two things and one of them is her fascist mentality. Perhaps she can enlighten us on her other favorate past time?

Making lemonade

[Gasman]

The Orthodox Church criticises attempts to reach out to
the Turkish side. The small community brands as a
traitor any who break ranks but there are cracks in private.

The percentage willing at least to consider negotiated
partition is estimated by a peace activist as a quarter of the
Greek Cypriot population and increasing. According to
a prominent Greek Cypriot businessman, “more and more
people are saying they’d be ready to live with a two-state
solution”.

More Greek Cypriots are tempted by the new possibility of
obtaining compensation for land in the north through the
Turkish Cypriot property commission, especially while real
estate prices are rising on both sides of the island, and
a political settlement looks unlikely. Pro-government
newspapers have published shaming lists with 50 names
of Greek Cypriots who have lodged claims with the
Turkish Cypriot commission, but that has not stopped 300
from applying. “The government says we should be patriotic
and wait for a solution. Greek Cypriots feel they cannot”, a
leading newspaper editor said.

Nevertheless, there is little sign that Greek Cypriot society
is rethinking its overwhelming rejection of the Annan Plan.
Young people appear unconcerned about the risks of the
status quo.

The liberal Greek Cypriot newspaper Politis, which supports
compromise with the Turkish Cypriots, lost 5 per cent of its
circulation after the Greek Orthodox archbishop called it
a “Turkish newspaper written in Greek”, Crisis Group interview,
Greek Cypriot publisher, Nicosia, October 2007.

“Lots of Greek Cypriot youth today say accept partition, veto
Turkey [in the EU] and forget the Turkish Cypriots”, Crisis
Group interview, Costas Carras of Friends of Cyprus UK, Athens,
October 2007. “There is something called inat, or defiant pride,
that often colours thinking in the region. Given that many people
have already given up on getting back the north, there’s a part
of Greek Cypriots, a mischievous side, that would love to veto
Turkey’s entry into the European Union, even if it means sealing
the division of the island”.

Crisis Group interview, Yiouli Taki, Nicosia, October 2007.
See also Elias Hazou, “Saying aloud what a lot of people
think?”, Cyprus Mail, 2 September 2007.

The only two public demonstrations that have attracted Greek
Cypriot youth since 2004 were to protest two-hour earlier closure
of discotheques at 2 am, and extension of the age for pension
eligibility from 63 to 65.

Crisis Group interview, ISTAME researcher Philippos
Savvides, Athens,

[supporttheunderdog]

...perhaps we should make the best of a bad job and negotiate a fair partition that would deny Turkey any say in the running of the southern state.

So the fact that the "TRNC" is unrecognized is a "bad job" and we should make amends to fix it eh?

Vromoshille!

Read it again idiot, the "bad job" is the partition not the lack of recognition.

Did you not suggest to "negotiate a fair partition" ?

Does that not make you a partitionist in contravention to the Republic’s sovereignty and territorial integrity?

1) I hope that one day all Cypriots both TC and GC can be a part of a single independant republic of Cyprus, with as far as is practical, a return of property that Cypriots have been forced to leave at variuos times since 1963. I share the call for the Turkish Army and the Anatolian settlers (and the Orams of this world) to be gone from here.

2) However the defacto partion of the Island took place in 1963 (47 years ago) (i) with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan, which gave the TMT and other Turkish based elements every excuse they needed to spread fear in the TC community, leading to the drawing of the original green line which effectively partioned the Island.

As I understand it, the aim of this move was to promote Enosis, which would have resulted in the complete destruction of the Cyprus Republic.

IMHO other traitors to the Republic are those who joined Eoka B and /or wilfully sided with the Greek Invaders (as Big Mak, no less, described them,) in the June 1974, in a further attempt to destroy the entire Soverignty of the Republic, which finally gave the Turks the excuse they needed to invade and cement the exitsing partion, and them some!

Now we get your facist ravings - if you cannot defeat the arguments by logic, let's stop them by force. I do not seek to defend the partionist point of view but they are fully entitlled to hold it, no matter unpalletable it is.

[supporttheunderdog]

...perhaps we should make the best of a bad job and negotiate a fair partition that would deny Turkey any say in the running of the southern state.

So the fact that the "TRNC" is unrecognized is a "bad job" and we should make amends to fix it eh?

Vromoshille!

Read it again idiot, the "bad job" is the partition not the lack of recognition.

Did you not suggest to "negotiate a fair partition" ?

Does that not make you a partitionist in contravention to the Republic’s sovereignty and territorial integrity?

1) I hope that one day all Cypriots both TC and GC can be a part of a single independant republic of Cyprus, with as far as is practical, a return of property that Cypriots have been forced to leave at variuos times since 1963. I share the call for the Turkish Army and the Anatolian settlers (and the Orams of this world) to be gone from here.

2) However the defacto partion of the Island took place in 1963 (47 years ago) (i) with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan, which gave the TMT and other Turkish based elements every excuse they needed to spread fear in the TC community, leading to the drawing of the original green line which effectively partioned the Island.

As I understand it, the aim of this move was to promote Enosis, which would have resulted in the complete destruction of the Cyprus Republic.

IMHO other traitors to the Republic are those who joined Eoka B and /or wilfully sided with the Greek Invaders (as Big Mak, no less, described them,) in the June 1974, in a further attempt to destroy the entire Soverignty of the Republic, which finally gave the Turks the excuse they needed to invade and cement the exitsing partion, and them some!

Now we get your facist ravings - if you cannot defeat the arguments by logic, let's stop them by force. I do not seek to defend the partionist point of view but they are fully entitlled to hold it, no matter unpalletable it is.

[supporttheunderdog]

apologis for rthe double post - a computer/user error

[Get Real!]

...with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan,

Do yourself a BIG favor and don’t post unsubstantiated rubbish you read on TC propaganda sites, when responding to me.

[supporttheunderdog]

...with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan,

Do yourself a BIG favor and don’t post unsubstantiated rubbish you read on TC propaganda sites, when responding to me.

what unsubstantiated rubbish?

The attempt to dismantle the Republic's constittion and the Acritas plan of 1963 are documented fact, as are the event of 1974 and Big Mak's words in the UN. Rather you are peddling GC propaganda.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/so-yo ... ut-akritas

[miltiades]

...with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan,

Do yourself a BIG favor and don’t post unsubstantiated rubbish you read on TC propaganda sites, when responding to me.

Who the fuck are you stupid , nobody has any respect for you on this forum and you bloody well know it. Who do you think you are stupid , a bloody disaster for Cyprus , piss off go join the Taliban and blow yourself up there instead of blowing your ego up on the forum , stupid bloody barbarian .

[Get Real!]

...with the attempt by the GC side to rewrite the constitution, and (ii)with the attempt to implement the Acritas plan,

Do yourself a BIG favor and don’t post unsubstantiated rubbish you read on TC propaganda sites, when responding to me.

what unsubstantiated rubbish?

The attempt to dismantle the Republic's constittion and the Acritas plan of 1963 are documented fact, as are the event of 1974 and Big Mak's words in the UN. Rather you are peddling GC propaganda.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/so-yo ... ut-akritas

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle01.htm

[Oracle]

An Iraqi colleague (Ph.D. student) was interned during the Gulf War for questioning.

No s/he was not interned. S/he may have been detained, but was not interned. Internment is a particular form of adminisitrative detention - typically where no crime or breach is alleged against that class or set of people - applied to a whole class or set of subjects. The detention of an individual (or even several) Iraqi PhD student does not constitute internment. I followed closely the treatment in the UK of Iraqi (and other) nationals during the 1980s, 1990s to the present (being a member of various HR organisations and advocacy groups) and I can tell you for sure that no Iraqis were interned. (They were abused in many other ways, but not internment)

You, Oracle, started a thread advocating internment of civilian (a class or set of subjects) "partitionists" (a class or set of subjects) despite the fact that they had not committed any crime or breach of law (either of RoC or international). This is the kind of thing that fascists advocate, hence accusing you of being a fascist.

The student was interned for some days and then had to report their whereabouts for several weeks.

So NOT INTERNED, as I said.

Why wasn't that internment? (internment - confinement during wartime). The student was perfectly innocent yet interned for a period of time for political reasons, during a time of war (albeit not felt in the UK) until it was ascertained that they were not an enemy alien or a danger to the community. I don't know if all the other Iraqi students were treated in the same way as we just had the one. In the end, and as I recall, the student told me it was only because they were Christian that they were let out (presumably before the Gulf war was over) and it's possible our Head of Department had to intervene on the student's behalf (although that detail is hazy).

I don't know if the student was placed in a specialist detention facility or an internment camp as I wasn't, nor am, familiar with such emergency procedures.

If now you want to change what you wrote and say that you object to the internment proposal that you'd previously advocated I'd be more than happy to see that.

Nothing you've said changes the debate since you haven't actually argued the relevant proposal. All countries have facilities for detaining/interning people for political reasons, under times of war, so that they can ascertain whether they pose a danger to the community. You've merely gone round the houses playing with words, making assumptions and talking to yourself, regardless of the material presented.