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[lovernomore]

Jerry,

What we are fighting for today is not just about your piece and my piece of scrub!

Some of us are actually concerned in whose hands and in what state Cyprus will be in 100, 500, or even 1000 years from now!

Of course, being a half baked Cypriot cum Charlie, it may not be important to you but to those of us who are indigenous with a 10,000 year old inheritance it’s EVERYTHING!

What bloody rubbish. The day you joined the EU you gave up your identity. Soon you will be a minority in your own country.

If decades of EU history is anything to go by, EU membership doesn’t appear to have removed any of its member's cultural identities thus far.

Its invasions, ethnic cleansing, and the importation of illegal settlers that do!

That would be the case back in the 60s and 70s. Right now youre at risk of being a minority by the influx of fellow EU immigrants settling into your racist roc. The sad thing is it is all the undesiarables that are settling and you can be sure that in years to come these people will make youyr life hell. You will think of Turks and TCs as angels compared to this lot.

[Get Real!]

What are you talking about ? Internment of people without trial, without charge, without due process, employing collective punishment is not "taking away privileges" !!!! It is a wholesale denial of basic human rights.

See Guantanamo!

One could argue that recently adopted European “terror” laws have actually LEGALIZED internments and beyond!

[Get Real!]

Interesting discussions guys but lunch must prevail so I'll catch you all later...

[CopperLine]

What are you talking about ? Internment of people without trial, without charge, without due process, employing collective punishment is not "taking away privileges" !!!! It is a wholesale denial of basic human rights.

See Guantanamo!

One could argue that recently adopted European “terror” laws have actually LEGALIZED internments and beyond!

But it is NOT internment. International law does not recognise the various (and wrongful) detentions at Guantanamo as internment. These are abuses, no doubt, but they are not examples of internment. It is lazy and misleading to refer to them as internment.

In any case which "European “terror” laws" have you in mind ? Sources ?

[lovernomore]

Interesting discussions guys but lunch must prevail so I'll catch you all later...

Enjoy your lunch and think of all the hungry people around the world and think deep on how to make it better for all those people less fortunate than you.

[Oracle]

An Iraqi colleague (Ph.D. student) was interned during the Gulf War for questioning.

No s/he was not interned. S/he may have been detained, but was not interned. Internment is a particular form of adminisitrative detention - typically where no crime or breach is alleged against that class or set of people - applied to a whole class or set of subjects. The detention of an individual (or even several) Iraqi PhD student does not constitute internment. I followed closely the treatment in the UK of Iraqi (and other) nationals during the 1980s, 1990s to the present (being a member of various HR organisations and advocacy groups) and I can tell you for sure that no Iraqis were interned. (They were abused in many other ways, but not internment)

You, Oracle, started a thread advocating internment of civilian (a class or set of subjects) "partitionists" (a class or set of subjects) despite the fact that they had not committed any crime or breach of law (either of RoC or international). This is the kind of thing that fascists advocate, hence accusing you of being a fascist.

The student was interned for some days and then had to report their whereabouts for several weeks.

Why don't you read what I wrote instead of making wild accusations just so that you can answer yourself! I'm not talking about taking away privileges from innocent people but from those ...

... who present a risk to Cyprus' future by their constant promotion and peddling of anti-Cypriot propaganda as well as overtly and covertly supporting and distributing partitionist claims and demands.

[CopperLine]

An Iraqi colleague (Ph.D. student) was interned during the Gulf War for questioning.

No s/he was not interned. S/he may have been detained, but was not interned. Internment is a particular form of adminisitrative detention - typically where no crime or breach is alleged against that class or set of people - applied to a whole class or set of subjects. The detention of an individual (or even several) Iraqi PhD student does not constitute internment. I followed closely the treatment in the UK of Iraqi (and other) nationals during the 1980s, 1990s to the present (being a member of various HR organisations and advocacy groups) and I can tell you for sure that no Iraqis were interned. (They were abused in many other ways, but not internment)

You, Oracle, started a thread advocating internment of civilian (a class or set of subjects) "partitionists" (a class or set of subjects) despite the fact that they had not committed any crime or breach of law (either of RoC or international). This is the kind of thing that fascists advocate, hence accusing you of being a fascist.

The student was interned for some days and then had to report their whereabouts for several weeks.

So NOT INTERNED, as I said.

Why don't you read what I wrote instead of making wild accusations just so that you can answer yourself! I'm not talking about taking away privileges from innocent people but from those ...

... who present a risk to Cyprus' future by their constant promotion and peddling of anti-Cypriot propaganda as well as overtly and covertly supporting and distributing partitionist claims and demands.

Partitionists are not committing a crime by advocating partition they are exercising a basic human right (freedom of expression). You might not like it, I might not like it, but they have a right (not a privilege) to express this view. Therefore you are proposing to breach their human rights by either criminalising the expression of their political views or (worse ?) proposing internment to a whole set of people but leaving them without charge or ability to defend themselves or access to due process, thereby breaching their basic rights (to a fair tribunal) yet again. Internment -which you advocated - is a policy which is not interested itself with whether the interned are actually innocent or guilty. It is a fiat against a set of people typically issued by people of fascist mentality, hence I was not surprised to find you advocating this measure however scandalous and brutal it is.

If now you want to change what you wrote and say that you object to the internment proposal that you'd previously advocated I'd be more than happy to see that.

[DTA]

Yes oracle is that what you want to do?

Or are you happy to be known as a fascist?

[Deniz2]

Yes oracle is that what you want to do?

Or are you happy to be known as a fascist?

From what I read on this forum she enjoys two things and one of them is her fascist mentality. Perhaps she can enlighten us on her other favorate past time?

[shahmaran]

Cyprus is at war with Turkey. Its mission, to liberate the whole island. During times of war, special rules can be enforced. For example; view this extract from the BBC site:

Internment of civilian nationals belonging to opposing sides was carried out in varying degrees ...
At the outbreak of war there were around 80,000 potential enemy aliens in Britain who, it was feared, could be spies, or willing to assist Britain's enemies in the event of an invasion. All Germans and Austrians over the age of 16 were called before special tribunals and were divided into one of three groups:

'A' - high security risks, numbering just under 600, who were immediately interned;
'B' - 'doubtful cases', numbering around 6,500, who were supervised and subject to restrictions;
'C' - 'no security risk', numbering around 64,000, who were left at liberty.

We all know from this forum that there are 'enemy aliens' amongst us, albeit EU nationals, who present a risk to Cyprus' future by their constant promotion and peddling of anti-Cypriot propaganda as well as overtly and covertly supporting and distributing partitionist claims and demands.

The RoC would be within its rights to repatriate these people, restrict their movements or keep an eye on their daily activities.

any citizen or resident of the roc advocating the partition of the island should be imprisoned pending liberation. thankfully turkey has imprisoned many of them in a secure isolation unit.

Youre too soft, gas the bloody lot of them and then put them in mass graves, youre good at this type of thing.

don't be ridiculous.

You have done it before, so whats new?